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    Recovering missed round kick

    My pals and I have been doing a little full contact sparring. Last time I whipped out a thai round kick and my target stepped back causing me to hit air. When my foot touched down I did a quick spin while backing up. He didn't react quickly enough to punish me for that, but I felt very vulnerable and if he was paying closer attention he could have caused me some trouble.

    My question is, when you practice the thai round on the air (no pads or bag), how do you recover it? I've seen folks do the same half spin I did and come around with the leg shield while practicing, but I fear a takedown during such a maneuver.

    Lately I've been working the kick like this: Once my foot touches I immediately pop it back up into a leg shield and open back up the way I came. In other words, if I kicked with the right leg then after my foot touches I do a right leg shield opening to the right without changing my facing. I have yet to test this in sparring, but I feel it would put me in a better position to deal with a charging opponent who was trying to capitalize on the missed kick. Obviously the best answer is, "don't miss," but it happens...

    What do you guys think?
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  • #2
    interesting post!

    yeah...missing the round kick can leave you very open for a counter..but what height of round kick are you talking about?

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    • #3
      In this case it was just above waist level. A leg kick would probably leave less of an opening. I'm just looking for the best way to recover the kick as I work it during shadow boxing and such. I suspect it's a little less of a problem in Thai rules where grappling takedowns are less of a threat, but I'm hoping someone with more experience than me can 'jump start' my training. We've only done our full contact sparring a few times yet and trying both methods on the field would take some time.

      How do you guys recover the kick in practice when there's nothing to hit?

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      • #4
        The most common way to recover from a missed thai round kick is to do a full spin. It does seem to leave one a little open to takedowns and such, but has worked for me the most part and is better then doing a half spin and having to recover.-ED

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        • #5
          I agree, the full spin is a good method ..alot of pro fighters use this method too...just make sure your full spin is quick! Some fighters do the spin real slow and end up getting hit in the back of the head!

          I guess it really helps to judge WHEN to use your high and mid section kicks... I usually only ever come in with a high/middle kick after a punch combination of some sort. Or if my opponents hands are down from fatigue I have no problem throwing a high kick. Otherwise I only throw low kicks at first.

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          • #6
            Footwork

            Wouldn't you also be able to step back and restore range? If you fight left foot forward and bring in your right leg for the MT kick and you miss and spin through where your opponent is at your 12:00 but you and your right foot are facing 9 or 10:00, how about stepping your left foot back and re-arranging your right foot while dropping yourself a little in case he is planning to charge in?

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            • #7
              Alright Chad! Your FMA background shows through. I work my FMA empty hand and Thai together. The footwork you mentioned, essentially an FMA sidestep (not unique to FMA of course), works best in my opinion. I try to always practice at least two types of counter/defense and in this case (missed kick) it is the shield and the sidestep. The sidestep, IMHO, is more effective than either of the shielding methods. Reasons?

              - It moves you at a 45 degree angle from your opponent's line of attack.
              - In doing so you are removed from counter-kicks but still have both feet on the ground for balance and power punches.
              - For me, it is faster than either shielding method (spin or half turn). This could also be because I haven't practiced the leg shields enough.
              - You *should* be able to post with one hand to defeat a charge. I haven't tried that one yet though...

              So I agree wholeheartedly - but in this case I was just curious about the leg shielding method.

              Bau13, I think you are right that if the pros do it with the full spin it is probably the best approach. I don't see them using something less effective when it's their butt in the ring. Likely I just need to practice it more so that it is faster. 'When' is very important too. This was the first time I'd tossed a Thai round expecting it to hit and it didn't. Obviously I need to work on that too!

              Thanks for all the great comments guys.

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              • #8
                Watch out whit missing kicks you might overextend your knees.
                Always lead in your kicks.

                If i mis a kick i use my kickleg as my front leg.
                Well i'm a southpaw. i have no problems fighting in both stances.
                A full spin is an option to.

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                #9
                hm..my teacher assured me that if you throw the kick with correct power and extension, the spin is not only natural, but fast and takes care of itself..meaning, you dn't have to think about it, you just spin your body incredibly fast from the miss..

                he said if you are able to stop after missing, and set your foot down and just adjust your stance, then you are doing a weak, mechanically incorrect version of the kick..

                however, I myself feel pretty freaky exposing my back to anyone.. I have a friend (a natural wrestling talent, he's eerie) who would punish me like crazy for that everytime..

                my teacher said you don't have to worry about takedowns, so longas you have correct form in the shield position.. he said that position leaves youopen to sprawl or readjust your weight to meet the attack when done correctly..

                personally, i still feel pretty open in this position, and have given up most of my kicks altogether to concentrate on my hand techniques more..

                -dwayne
                well, i still foot sweep, sepa, and occasionally throw a low front kick to the knee/thigh..i'll eventually work my lowline thai kicks in again..

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