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  • #16
    Dave, I sincerely hope you stay here on this forum, your posts are very insightful and enjoyable to read. Not to mention informative. Please post on the MMA and BJJ forum as well. We'd love to have you there!

    My 2 cents on Holland and european M.T. practioners are that I've heard that many of the fights and bouts there are hesitant in putting elbows and as a result, many bouts do not allow elbows, resulting in a weaker elbow game for the europeans. I recall one fight Joao Vierra from holland quit in the middle of the bout because he was not used to being elbowed. But this information is secondhand because I read this off a website.

    ". He just waved his hands to quit after Burachai's elbow nearly missed his face. Vierra ended up on the canvas many times and Burachai clearly dominated the fight. Vierra was a good fighter, but his weaknesses in the clinches and the elbows were apparent. He had fought many Muay Thai matches in Europe, including one in which he beat Ramon Dekker. However, because many European matches still do not include elbows even though knees are allowed, Vierra was not yet prepared for Lumpinee Stadium. The Thai fighters are very dangerous at the elbow range."

    I think the hollanders and europeans just modifed the techniques to suit the bigger people there. Because Thais are generally smaller in stature, the gap in the heawvy weight divisions are domminated by the Dutch. Or maybe this is too much of a generalization to be true?




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    • #17
      Yella-Tiger,
      Hello there, I hope that all is going well. I thank you for the kind words. I will stay around for as long as I am able to do so and will contribute where I feel that I can be of assistance.
      As we speak I am planning my next trip (January to March 2001). This is my annual trip across Europe where I will be conducting more than 18 seminars in various countries in the span of 8 weeks or so. So to say the least i`m overwhelmed right now with trying to arrange all of the schedules and travel arrangements, accomodations, etc... I travel roughly 9 to 10 months a year fulfilling contracts that I have with various militaries and conducting Lameco Eskrima seminars for my representatives in Europe, North-Central-South America, Africa and Asia. So in the future if I fail to comment on topics it will be because I won`t have access to a computer or/and I will be on the seminar trail.
      To comment on your European Thai-boxing response let me say that I am under the same impression as you. I feel that when you lack the ability to throw elbows in your method of training / sparring that it will only effect you in a negative way when you fight in an arena that allows them to be thrown. And from what i`ve noticed from the majority of the European Muay-thai matches that I have witnessed it seemed as if all that was flowing in these bouts were the down kicks, tepe, round kicks, various knees and punching leaving out the more destructive elbow strikes entirely.
      As for the heavy weight division it almost does not exist in Thailand as the average weight of the Thai fighters that you will see on any given night at Ratchadmnoen or Lumphini stadiums will be about 5'4" at 100-110 lbs. and the heavier fighters will average around 5 foot 7" at 125-130 lbs. Of course there are exceptions but for the most part Europeans rule the heavier weight classes in Thailand. I saw a few Thai`s working the corner of their fighters at an impressive 6'0 and 180-200 lbs. in great shape... But they were few and far in between. Take care Yella-tiger and be well...
      ~ Guro Dave Gould.

      [Edited by Guro Dave Gould on 12-23-2000 at 08:59 PM]

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      • #18
        Yes I realize that you are a very busy indivisual and I respect that. If you ever come across this message, please conduct a seminar in Toronto Canada. We would all over to have you here! Full Muay Thai matches being illegal here make it very hard for people to learn and appreciate all the ranges of authentic Muay Thai, please come down and teach us what everyone is missing in Canada!

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        • #19
          Muay-thai in Canada....

          Yella-tiger,
          Hello again, Right now I don`t have any representatives in the Toronto area and without a host I would`nt be able to conduct a seminar there. If you know of a school or instructor interested in hosting me for a Muay-thai seminar in your area have them get in touch with me and we can try and set something up. I would love to come to your area and share with you and your friends. As of now the closest that I get to you in conducting seminars would be In Massachusetts. Take care...
          ~ Guro Dave Gould.

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          • #20
            Training in Thailand

            Guro Dave Gould,

            I am in the process of trying to figure out what to do with the next couple of years of my life. I am currently in Singapore but I'm considering relocating to Thailand (among other places). Could you recommend some camps or gyms in Bangkok or Chiang Mai? Krabri Krabrong would be really cool to study, but I'm realistic about my chances of being accepted as a student due to my lack of references.

            -Tony

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            • #21
              Training in Bangkok...

              aseepish,
              You are correct in your assumptions as it is very difficult to get accepted into the more dominant training camps in Thailand as a farang. Even with a good reference the better camps will not accept foreigners unless you have proven yourself or someone teaching within the camp can vouch for you.
              Having said that all hope is not lost. There are some lesser known camps that will accept foreigners into their training camps as a tourist experience. If you would start in one of these venues and work your way up than in a matter of months it is quite possible to work your way into some of the more reputable camps in the country.
              But be forewarned the training is absolutely grueling on a day to day basis with alot of sparring and brutal conditioning. Bruises and stiff muscles are common place and as a foreigner the first few weeks of the camps will be crucial in your gaining respect from the others in hopes of having everyone accept you as a dedicated boxer.
              When you decide to move get in contact with me and I will try and steer you toward some of my contacts there. I have alot of friends in the Bangkok area as well as in Pattaya that can be of great help to you in Thailand.
              As well i`m not sure if you know much about Khmer kick-boxing in Cambodia but according to the Khmers Muay-thai is an off take of the Khmer warrior arts as the siamese were Khmer slaves for many years way back when the Khmer empire was strong and dominated Northern South-East Asia.
              On my last trip to Cambodia in Phnom-penh as I was sitting next to a very passionate Cambodian during the fights at the local stadium there I was given a history lesson as I commented on the similarities of Muay-thai and Khmer kick-boxing... I hope that this helps, take care and be well...
              ~ Guro Dave Gould.

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              • #22
                Training in Thailand

                Guro Dave Gould,

                Thank you for your information! I'll let you know once my plans firm up. I'll also be doing my best to learn some rudimentary Thai (I have some Thai students to help me with this).

                -Tony

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by shangchi
                  Do you thai boxing guys train kicks targeted at the head?

                  ALso - do you all do spinning elbow attacks?

                  How practical are these on the street?

                  Is is better to block a round kick to the ribs with your shin or with your elbows/forearms?
                  Its better not to block it at all! I think better to counter with a lead side kick to the body or knee, or groin kick, keeping your guarding hand up just in case, so at least you can defend at the same time. Or avoid it entirely and counter while they are regaining their balance.

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