Muay Thai vs Burmese boxing

[shadowkiller]

but it is a very good simple choice, and then as a lot of people have said it all ends up depending on what you are good at or what you want to be good at. If you want to be a striker then go for MT or boxing.

[Nick]

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Er... how would JUST punching be better than punching along with clinching skiolls (elbows, headbutts, knees) all low risk moves as well? Of course there are boxers who could beat Thai boxers -- I'm sure Tyson could demolish a lot of Thai boxers. That's not my point. My point is that Thai boxing has more effective weapons (punching along with elbows, knees, and head butts) than boxing, therefore its "better".

Sherwinc, I don't know where you get the idea that Muay Thai doesn't have defensive moves. We have parrying, pivoting, weaving, etc. As for blocking punches with your head, dipping your head at the right moment and letting your opponent hit you in the forehead instead of the face can be quite an effective technique.

And Muay Thai not the best for the street? No, a gun would be the best for the street, of course you'd go you jail. So what's the best for the street? Avoidance, then the ability to use all your weapons, not just punches but elbows knees, headbutts, dirty techniques and groundwork.

Later...

[sherwinc]

Sherwinc, I don't know where you get the idea that Muay Thai doesn't have defensive moves. We have parrying, pivoting, weaving, etc. As for blocking punches with your head,

maybe you have parrying, pivoting, weaving, etc.... but you did not use in your ring match.......

what MuayThai did is only weaving, forearm covering, and letting their head/body to be hit by opponents punch and kick (and vice versa)

dipping your head at the right moment and letting your opponent hit you in the forehead instead of the face can be quite an effective technique.

What a lousy kind of joke.....

Then let the WingChun's ChainPunching to your Forehead 3 times instead of hitting your Face..... then you can say it is truely an effective technique....

Too much Human Dummy especially the head cant accept an enormous amount of punches landed even in your forehead will results to a brain damage later......

but for now, a simple kind of explaination cant understand, it simply a brain damage is starting now (like those of Diarrheanation cant understand a simple lessons)


haw haw haw haw haw

[thaibxr]

off topic again

I dont know if you know what I was trying to ask but from what I seen birmese boxing was a lot like muay thai with some other stuff and different rules but I still dont know a lot about it and was just trying to find out but I seen on master toddys web sight that he brought 4 fighters over there and won 3 out of 4 but thanks for all the street fight crap as usual and sherwinc I just think your a dumb ass

[Nick]

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A friend of mine does a style of Burmese boxing. It is quite like Muay Thai, but I think they use take downs quite a lot. My friend is quite good at them. I don't think clinching is emphasized as much in Muay Thai, but I may be wrong.

As for Sherwinc, you're still ignorant. The parrying, weaving and pivoting are used in matches, I use them all the time when I spar. As for forearm covering and the block lifting up your leg, those are effective blocks. Very effective. Just because you are blocking the force instead of redirecting it doesn't mean it isn't effective.

And you can punch me all day in the forehead, but unless you're Mas Oyama, you're not going to do anything but give me a headache maybe. Boxers get punch-drunk after many years, whereas one punch to the forehead won't do anything to you... and a Wing Chun punch? The punches I've seen from that style tend to be weak without and shoulder or hip movement, trying to use "short power" or something. What's the point of that when you can get more power, faster punching with your entire body? Just make sure those aikido-ka's can't predict your moves and you're all set.

Later...

[haumana2000]

Ok, this thread went from casual discussion downhill fast, open your mind a little and do a little legowrk you will find that Burma because of it's close proximity to it's neighboring thai. Laos, and Camobodian neighbors is almost exactly the same as traditional muay thai before the gloves anyway. The techniques so it has nearly the same repetoire but includes more wrestling techniques and focus on headbutts. It also has more jumping type attacks.
I would say that the burmese because of the no glove rules are not necessarily the more skilled, but they are tougher (in my opinion) plus because lethwei boxing is not the high profile sport it is in thailand is poorer and the fighters if they lose dont eat. In Thailand you can become littlerally a sports figure, while in burma you fight to live. I always say its not so much the skill, its who wants it more. can you see who may want and need it more in this instance.

[shadowkiller]

maybe you have parrying, pivoting, weaving, etc.... but you did not use in your ring match.......

what MuayThai did is only weaving, forearm covering, and letting their head/body to be hit by opponents punch and kick (and vice versa)



What a lousy kind of joke.....

Then let the WingChun's ChainPunching to your Forehead 3 times instead of hitting your Face..... then you can say it is truely an effective technique....

Too much Human Dummy especially the head cant accept an enormous amount of punches landed even in your forehead will results to a brain damage later......

but for now, a simple kind of explaination cant understand, it simply a brain damage is starting now (like those of Diarrheanation cant understand a simple lessons)


haw haw haw haw haw

Dude.... The top of the head is the strongest part of the body. I would like to see you hit it 3 times in a row without gloves on and full power. Then I will laugh at your broken hand and knock you out with a headbutt....

[sherwinc]

A friend of mine does a style of Burmese boxing. It is quite like Muay Thai, but I think they use take downs quite a lot. My friend is quite good at them. I don't think clinching is emphasized as much in Muay Thai, but I may be wrong.

As for Sherwinc, you're still ignorant. The parrying, weaving and pivoting are used in matches, I use them all the time when I spar. As for forearm covering and the block lifting up your leg, those are effective blocks. Very effective. Just because you are blocking the force instead of redirecting it doesn't mean it isn't effective.

And you can punch me all day in the forehead, but unless you're Mas Oyama, you're not going to do anything but give me a headache maybe. Boxers get punch-drunk after many years, whereas one punch to the forehead won't do anything to you... and a Wing Chun punch? The punches I've seen from that style tend to be weak without and shoulder or hip movement, trying to use "short power" or something. What's the point of that when you can get more power, faster punching with your entire body? Just make sure those aikido-ka's can't predict your moves and you're all set.

Later...

The only way to test whether your art is good or not is to count your black-eyes, face-cuts, opponents fists landed unto your head that you neglect to block, pain, swelling, bruises, etc......

and if your opponent have that also - cause both of you are Human Dummies - then the ratio of fight hits is 50:50

meaning - both of you are stupid

1. The reason why most boxers are ugly cause too many black-eyes, cuts, swells, bruises, blood, callouse barriers in their face

2. While most of the KungFu Fighters are handsome cause they did not use their head to block the opponents punch, they use thier forearm to defend against opponents forearm


Nick - i think you are very ugly

[amadeus]

Er... how would JUST punching be better than punching along with clinching skiolls (elbows, headbutts, knees) all low risk moves as well? That's not my point. My point is that Thai boxing has more effective weapons (punching along with elbows, knees, and head butts) than boxing, therefore its "better".

1) boxing has elbows too they just aren't legal..... it's called dirty boxing and alot of the (mean) old timers still like to teach them.

2) my one (and only) problem with knees is they open you up way too much to be taken down by even a low level wrestler. hell, even i've hooked the leg and taken guys down who tried to knee me.

(personally in the street i don't like to break my balance for even a spilt second)

3) thai boxing doesn't have more effective weapons they just have more.

[amadeus]

[QUOTE=sherwinc] While most of the KungFu Fighters are handsome cause they did not use their head to block the opponents punch, they use thier forearm to defend against opponents forearm. [QUOTE]

most kung fu fighters only point spar or lighly tap...... if that.

but to be fair to wing chun it is one of the few classical styles i've seen & trained in, that i believe can be effective. however i will agree that their punches are a joke. but i also tend to think that these punches are used to open the opponent up to more leathal attacks such as throat strikes. also to compare it to boxing...... my instructor always said that boxers were the one (striking) style that gave him trouble. because of the natural combinations and the bobbing & weaving, it constantly kept him off guard and unable to use his techniques effectively.

[sherwinc]

because of the natural combinations

natural combinations of boxing to hit his opponent - while his opponent allow himself to be hit at his head(face) with that oncoming natural combinations...

cause there is no emphasizing of forearm defensive mechanism......

too many callouse barrier found in a boxers face,
too many cuts and wounds and nosebleeds at the boxers face,
too many bruises and blackeyes found in a boxers face

why?????

cause they use their head in order to block their opponents oncomming punches.....

both of them are all human dummies, both of them have that kind of marks in their faces, their ratio of hit is 50:50, then, both of them are loosers..... while both of them will suffer someday a brain damage problem why?????

cause too many punches landed unto boxers head

the reason why i cant find handsome looking boxers with no marks on thier face,

but i believe that boxers could defeat Karate and Tae Kwon Do, very true....

and the bobbing & weaving, it constantly kept him off guard and unable to use his techniques effectively.

bobbing and weaving?????? then lets see if who's gonna fatigue it first..... very exhausting, not good for the aged fighters.....

Note:
Tigers, Lions, Snakes, and even Cats - they did not do bobbing and weiving unto their opponent but, they just only wait standing there till the opponent are the one to come to their short distance......

[amadeus]

natural combinations of boxing to hit his opponent - while his opponent allow himself to be hit at his head(face) with that oncoming natural combinations...

cause there is no emphasizing of forearm defensive mechanism......

too many callouse barrier found in a boxers face,
too many cuts and wounds and nosebleeds at the boxers face,
too many bruises and blackeyes found in a boxers face

why?????

cause they use their head in order to block their opponents oncomming punches.....

both of them are all human dummies, both of them have that kind of marks in their faces, their ratio of hit is 50:50, then, both of them are loosers..... while both of them will suffer someday a brain damage problem why?????

cause too many punches landed unto boxers head

the reason why i cant find handsome looking boxers with no marks on thier face,

but i believe that boxers could defeat Karate and Tae Kwon Do, very true....



bobbing and weaving?????? then lets see if who's gonna fatigue it first..... very exhausting, not good for the aged fighters.....

Note:
Tigers, Lions, Snakes, and even Cats - they did not do bobbing and weiving unto their opponent but, they just only wait standing there till the opponent are the one to come to their short distance......

you know absolutely nothing about boxing do you.....

1) boxers get broken noses and busted lips cuz cuz they fight other boxers with good offensive skills. and when you're fighting someone for 12 rounds of course you're gonna get a little marred up in the face. boxers do not use their face to block punches but a skilled boxer is gonna be able to hit someone in the face a good number of times. kung fu guys look pretty cuz they don't really fight.

2) as for who will fatigue first..... probably the kung fu guy. outside of MMA noone in martial arts (especially not classical stylists) train the way boxers & thai boxers do. these guys train for 12 round (36 minute) fights. how many kung fu guys can go at the pace of a boxer or thai boxer for 36 minutes??? probably very very few if any at all. not that it would matter most decent boxers will KO the average kung fu guy in the first couple mins.

3) since you feel the need to bring up the animal thing......
lions & tigers:
simply overpower their prey. big deal they generally fight and kill things with hoofs who run away from them.
snakes: maybe they don't but the mongoose does alot of moving around when fighting snakes.... tell me who usually wins in that confrontation.
cats: lions & tigers are cats who moron!!

[haumana2000]

Ok, is this about western boxing or burmese, now im confused. The burmese version which is still rare and sometimes closed to outsiders due to burmas somehwat closed off borders uses every tool in the box. And as far as callouses are concerned there is a video out called the last gladiators of asia a documentary type. the first thing that caught my eye was the fact that guys used to compete into their 60's and sometimes 70's! There was a demo of some old guys doing the pre-fight boxing dance, and these guys were still doing flips, and moving like they were 18! Now, the next thing was the trainers themselves, Eddie futch and emmanual steward coach. thats it!, but the trainers in the video trained alongside the boxers, and they were old, shadowboxing, techniques kicking, everything, furthermore, as far as handsome goes the coaches had thick leather folds on their foreheads from headbutts elbows and past hits. Dayum!

[radicus]

Ok, is this about western boxing or burmese, now im confused. The burmese version which is still rare and sometimes closed to outsiders due to burmas somehwat closed off borders uses every tool in the box. And as far as callouses are concerned there is a video out called the last gladiators of asia a documentary type. the first thing that caught my eye was the fact that guys used to compete into their 60's and sometimes 70's! There was a demo of some old guys doing the pre-fight boxing dance, and these guys were still doing flips, and moving like they were 18! Now, the next thing was the trainers themselves, Eddie futch and emmanual steward coach. thats it!, but the trainers in the video trained alongside the boxers, and they were old, shadowboxing, techniques kicking, everything, furthermore, as far as handsome goes the coaches had thick leather folds on their foreheads from headbutts elbows and past hits. Dayum!

Do you know where I can get that video?

Thanks

[haumana2000]

It was made by Zoran Rebec ,You can purchase the video from Paladin press (www.paladinpress.com) it also has a cool companion book