Savate as good as thaiboxing??

[LoneWolf1]

Do u think savate can be stand up to MT or are there too few techniques plus it was invented by the french, jk.

[ryangruhn]

Well,
Personally I believe that Guro Dan teaches both for a reason. If one was better than the other people would not teach both. This is the same for just about all martial arts, no one art is better than the other, people should realize this.

Gruhn

[RapidAssault16]

Well, it depends on what type of Savate you're talking about...

There is Savate, the original French style developed and used on the streets by street brawlers and criminals. There are a lot of dirty tricks and the boot is viewed as a weapon.

Then, there is French Boxing, the sport-offshoot of original Savate. It resembles modern-day kickboxing, only that wrestling shoes are worn.

As a person who has trained in Muay Thai in Bangkok and has also trained in original Savate, I'll admit that while Muay Thai is a devastating art, especially with the elbows and knees, I'd trust Savate in a streetfight if I was ever forced to use my feet in an offensive manner (I wear steel-toe boots so that helps a great deal). I never really liked the kicks of MT outside the ring, cuz to me, they feel a bit awkward to execute while wearing jeans and boots. However, I also rely on MT for the close-range elbows and knees. I think a blend of the two is best.

[EmptyneSs]

savate is an awesome form of kickboxing. savate practitioners are way more mobile and agile than mt kickboxers in my opinion. savate has low kicks as well as alot of dynamic ones. savate is also strong in boxing. im lucky to be able to train in savate as well as muay thai at my school. and yeah savate does employ alot of tricks and whatnot. i skilled savate practitioner would be able to hold his own against anyone.

[LoneWolf1]

Thanx for the replies i was just asking because I have never really seen savate in action all i've done was read about it. And i'm only asking because they seem very similar except not as many standard striking surfaces as MT.

[EmptyneSs]

I never really liked the kicks of MT outside the ring, cuz to me, they feel a bit awkward to execute while wearing jeans and boots.

thats why i usually wear pants that fit well, and shoes that are easy to move around in, like vans. i actually work on my heavy bag somtimes wearing my jeans and vans and reg clothes, and the muay thai kicks all work fine for me. u just gotta wear shit that lets u move around easily.

[EmptyneSs]

check out this page http://www.bridgemansavate.com/photoquotes.htm
its pretty cool, check out the other pages too. savate is is very effective and has been battle tested on the streets of france.its a self defense art as well as a sport. evidently alot of savate guys trained in knife fighting too. they even trained in using chairs as weapons.

[EmptyneSs]

That's the only time you'll ever see the terms "Battle Tested" and "France" in the same sentence without the phrases "Humiliating Defeat" and "Surrendered without a fight" following closely behind.

didnt the french help us win the american revolution back in the day ?

[Tom Yum]

Savate has a lot to offer because the kicks are delivered sharply and fluidly with much more emphasis on precision than outright power. This tends to leave you more on-balance and able to recover after the kick, and they use the shoe specifically, which is nice. It's a little more realistic than barefoot training in most cases.

That sounds like how TKD trains too. TKD guys can develop awesome precision and speed in their kicks. They never really practice low kicks, except for self-defense sets.

[SamuraiGuy]

What do you call a million frenchman standing around with their hands in the air... the french army... lol
anyway how come no one has discussed the cane fighting techniques of savate? i think a savate practicioner with a cane could beat up a MT guy... and for the record the cane fighting is about 50% of this..

[EmptyneSs]

that link i posted talks about the weapons used in savate, from cane to knife, and even chairs. evidently savate is way more than just kickboxing, i didnt know this before, but they even have grappling techniques. it looks as if savate is more self defense oriented than anything else.

[Tom Yum]

Besides, Ben Franklin was a drunken womanizer (GO BENNIE!!) who played with lightning for fun. How far can you really trust a guy like that?? Seriously, though...

Hey, as a drinking, womanizing, physicists I find that harsh.....jj.

play ball!

[Broadsword2004]

Savate was based off of Asian martial arts cuz the French saw the Asian arts like karate and Chinese arts, and basically made their own version of it.

The French for some reason have never been great at war; they were good when Napoleon was around, but then they got their butts kicked eventually (though that happens to lots of countries that go invading other countries). But then they got their butts kicked in WWI, in WWII, in Vietnam...

The U.S. kinda screwed France over after the Revolutionary War though I think, which was why they wanted our statue back, though we kinda did make up for it I think in how we helped to rebuild Europe after WWII.

[Broadsword2004]

Oh yeah, plus we did keep the Soviets from invading Western Europe all those years of the Cold War too; of course, that was too keep us safe as well, but France only helped us to get at Britain too, so.....everyone is equal now I guess.

[sanshou2]

I also did some research around that time on the development of Savate and the inclusion of western boxing. One of savate's legendary figures is a guy named Charlemont, and he is said to have exchanged ideas (meaning fought with) John L. Sulivan, among others. The result was a much more refined system of punching for savate practitioners based on boxing. There's some great material out there, so do a search and have fun reading!

if i remember correctly, savate was mainly kicks until a top savate fighter fought against an english boxer and lost. He then started incorporating boxing into savate which is why it has boxing style punches.