Thai Silat, who has seen it?

[krys]

There is Thai silat in the southern provinces of Thailand. Once driving in the muslim provinces I've seen kids training in it at school. I wonder how it feels compared to other kinds of silat....

[MAMike]

Hi krys,

as you know there are more than 150 different silat styles out there. I never heard from a style which called Thai Silat. But if it's in the southern of thailand, where way to malaysia is very short, then it can be any malaysian silat. It#s just teached in a thai school.

Maybe some helpfull links:

http://www.kpsnusantara.com/history/thai.htm
http://members.aol.com/SGFAustria/index.htm
http://www.jakothmansilat.com/lightning.htm

Otherwise you mean Ling Lom which is a part of Muay Boran and only teach at the royal thai army academy from a few grandmasters. Ling Lom seems a little bit like silat. I got some introduction into Ling Lom when Grandmaster Amnat Pookrisuk where here in germany.

All the best, Mike

[krys]

Thanks for the info Mike,

...actually there is Thai silat, I heard of something like 30 styles practiced by muslim Thais (who are Malays), but those arts are not well documented. Muay Thai is also practiced in Malaysia under the name "Tommoy", I don't know how different it is from the Thai version.

There is even Cambodian (and Lao) silat, although it is rare, once met a Cambodian guy in France who learned a kind of tiger style silat from a cattle rustler during his youth in Cambodia .

Never heard of Ling Long, is it very different from MT?

[MAMike]

Never heard of Ling Long, is it very different from MT?

Ling Lom is a part of Muay Boran which is the old Muay Thai before Muay Thai becomes a national sport in thailand. In my eyes, Ling Lom is the way to grapple the opponent. There a many takedowns an submissions and a lot of them looks a little bit like silat. There's an upcoming DVD about Muay Boran - Ling Lom from Grandmaster Amnat which i currently produce. If it's ready i'll inform you where you can buy it over internet.

Hope that helps a little bit.

regards, mike

[haumana2000]

thai silat info:

The best source of information on this subject is Vince Giordano aka black grass over on martialtalk. He's a wealth of information on obscure styles specifically those indigeneous to SE Asia, and their Indian roots. He posts a newsletter regarding his studies as well. Hit him up, you wont regret it.

[MAMike]

Yapp, that's right. Vincent Giordano is a very good source for such topics. Try to get in contact with him!

Regards, Mike

[george stando]

Yes, Vincent would definitely be the one to talk to on this topic. I asked him about this about two years when I was going to go traveling in the South. He has trained and research deep into the south all the way to and into Malaysia and has documented some of the southern thai silat as well he said met some silat players in the north of thailand. He also wrote a short piece on the tomoi fighters in the past. He goes under either pahuyuth or blackdiamondcobra, blackdiamondcobra@yahoo.com was his last working email. Hope that helps. He is often traveling so doesnt get to check the boards much.

[torntights]

[QUOTE=krys]Thanks for the info Mike,

...actually there is Thai silat, I heard of something like 30 styles practiced by muslim Thais (who are Malays), but those arts are not well documented. Muay Thai is also practiced in Malaysia under the name "Tommoy", I don't know how different it is from the Thai version.

Krys
i was brought up in Malaysia, my father was in the British army for some time, i started learning Kilat(Silat Melayu) in 1965 whilst there, i can categorically state there is no thai form of silat. Who ever has told you of 30 styles is kidding you on my friend

[krys]

Then I guess Oong Maryiono must be kidding http://www.kpsnusantara.com/rapid/st...ons_v6_no4.htm

Oong is the coach of the Thai sport silat team and lives in Thailand for many years already.
Beside being an expert and undefeated fighter he is very knowledgable about silat's history.

There is silat in southern Thailand in the muslim provinces, I've seen young pesilats from my car practicing while I was driving to Malaysia 10 years ago.
The malasyian fatani silat style is said to come from Thailand (Pattani province).

I've also trained in Malaysia, and the pesilats there told me about thai silat, my own master taught silat in Chiang Mai for a few months and he also said there is silat Thailand....

[chalambok]

There is most definitely Thai silat, how many styles I have no idea. If you go to the festival sponsored by the Queen of Thailand in Narathiwat in late September you will see Thai silat demonstrations every day.

[torntights]

Krys
oong has documentary evidence of such? Or is it based more on the"it is said" principle whereby the origins aren't questioned because the master says so. Also you state that he in an udefeated fighter? Im sorry but 18 years in the far East has taught me lots about believing such masters, these tales are usually swallowed by gullible foreigners.
You say you trained in Silat in Malaysia with whom? And where? I find it odd that i train for 18 years in Malaysia and yet no one ever mentions Thai silat to me, i know many people there, if you can provide me with sources for your information then please let me verify your account of Thai silat with them. By the way what nationality are you. I see from you profile that you practise san chou, how practicle is in relation to silat as a method of unarmed combat, also what is RMAX?
Im sorry if my post feels as though i am doubting you but in the East there are many stories just dont be too quick to believe them
Thanks Krys

[krys]

Thai Kriss:

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/taman.sari/keris/introduction/patani.htm

Books and Links on the History of Thailand:

David K. Wyatt at Yale has written several books in English on Thai history:

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* The Chiang Mai Chronicle. Historical monograph on the northern province in Thailand that in ancient times was sometimes an independent state, sometimes subject to Burmese rule and sometimes subject to Thai rule, but at any rate home to some interesting Hill Tribes. [The hill tribes in the north and the southern Patani (Patani Silat) area are both reputed to possess interesting variants on Muay Thai that have evolved through warfare over the centuries.

Other reference to Thai silat:

http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/south.htm

oong has documentary evidence of such? Or is it based more on the"it is said" principle whereby the origins aren't questioned because the master says so. Also you state that he in an udefeated fighter? Im sorry but 18 years in the far East has taught me lots about believing such masters, these tales are usually swallowed by gullible foreigners.

Oong was undefeated national Indonesian and international silat champion for 8 years in a row starting in 1979... he knows more than just sport silat and is well respected in traditional silat circles for his fighting skills.
I travel for 11 years to south east Asia, and will settle there in 8 weeks, I've heard many stories and been used to it so I won't take things for granted. I learned my lessons, if I kept on being that guilible i'd be dead or ruined for a long time already .

You say you trained in Silat in Malaysia with whom? And where? I find it odd that i train for 18 years in Malaysia and yet no one ever mentions Thai silat to me, i know many people there, if you can provide me with sources for your information then please let me verify your account of Thai silat with them.

Near KL (2 months ) and Kuala Terrenganu (a few days), I'm sorry but I don't feel confortable giving the names of those instructors...Thai silat is named "sila", even tourist agencies propose tours allowing to watch it in Thailand, just enter "sila" into google and search around.

I see from you profile that you practise san chou, how practicle is in relation to silat as a method of unarmed combat, also what is RMAX?

I used to practice San-Shou to complement my Wing Chun as I went to fight in a national full contact tourney... It is all ranges based, and allowed me to try some of my silat techniques full contact (throws)...

RMAX is a training methodology to enhance your performances, it can be used as a martial art on its own or just to become better in your own physical activity-martial art.
It has been developped and is researched by Scott Sonnon (international Sambo Champion, also former professional kickboxer I believe) who took it from russian ROSS (one of the martial arts practiced by some of the spetsnaz units of the russian army).

I use it as a martial art on it's own but also to get more from my filipino silat, it greatly improves mobility, striking ability, shock absortion, grappling skills...

As a martial art it isn't technique based but principle based (some say movement based).
What you are looking for is to developp a better control over your body in order to be able to strike from any position, to aborb shock and to become more mobile in stand up but also on the ground......Scott Sonnon is coming to Scotland next year.

[torntights]

Hi Krys
have you delt with any of the Lincah silat team in Malaysia , ive heard a little of Scot Sonnon , where in Scotland is the seminar ,are you arranging this event ?

[krys]

No Gayong near KL. In Kuala Terrenganu it was a familly style.
Are you practicing Lincah? What exactly is kilat?

The seminar will be in Glasgow, friends of mine are organising the event.
It's a bit expensive: 150£ for two days, but worth every pence as it will definitely improve your skills whatever arts you practice. I may even take a ticket to Scotland from the Philippines to attend it .

[Andrew Usher]

Christian,
What on earth are you gibbering on about. Anthony said you where in class last week ( Christain attends our class in Glasgow), thats one hell of a comute each week, you must have amazing airmiles.

I was aware you where going to be in the country at the time of the seminar and i am having serious doubt about your posts, on the basis of the training i know you have had.

Lets clear this up, are you going to be out of the country or in the country.
As you well know it is myself and Anthony (your ICS instructors) who are organising the seminar, and i wouldnt say it was expensive, in fact for two days training is excellent value for money. Details can be found for those interested at our website.

Andrew Usher
Director
Integrated Combat Systems