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  • Muaythai for self-defense

    A little more than 5 years ago, if you told someone that you practiced muay thai you'd get:

    a. blank stare.
    b. a chuckle, followed by some Bruce Lee cat screams.
    c. "You can't fight for real?"
    d. some combination of the above.

    Nowadays, the response is more like..."Isn't that what they do in the cage?"

    Muay thai is a great art for self-defense. Everyone who is out here can testify to that; even black belt masters in other styles. It isn't perfect since it does not include ground work, but its stand up and clinch work give it a lot of flexibility and advantages whether fighting against other stylists for competition or against an attacker. In the case of weapons, the art has seperated itself from its parent art, krabi krabong, which is a blade/sword based art that orginated from thailand over 1,000 years ago.

    Conditioning is one of the reasons why muay thai is good for self-defense and weight loss, too. Any style that emphasizes conditioning is one step up from the others that do not. There are traditional styles out there that disregard conditioning on the basis that they don't need to be fast to be effective or that one punch will kill someone. Its true one punch can make a difference, as long as you've worked with that one punch against different kinds of sparring partners who try to make you miss and land their own.

    Other kinds of training - using a weighted belt to strengthen your bite (jaw), working neck bridges and doing impact medecine ball drills supplement your ring time and do wonders for your ability to work through a little contact.

    Sparring is yet another reason. Sparring isn't the same as scuffling on the street, but someone who regularly deals with the nerves when sparring develops abilities to move, react and hit with intentions. Getting clocked now and then decreases your fear of being hit and increases your ability to fight under pressure but the real goal of sparring is to learn to make the other guy miss while landing your own shots, not to act as a punching bag.

    Lastly, people ask about dirty techniques?

    From my somewhat short time in the martial arts, my observations have been that every art has their own dirty techniques and that most practitioners won't think twice about using them + what they know from training in self-defense. Below is a picture of a muaythai fighter using a dirty move set up with a little footwork.

    In the end, any kind of training in martial arts, whether it be muay thai, kali, judo or whichever you enjoy the most, should be used with great responsibility and control.
    Last edited by Tom Yum; 12-24-2006, 02:18 AM.

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    Other arts for self defense

    The last thing I wrote was about muay thai, but I think other arts are great for self defense too.

    Taekwondo - I realize that I'm about to get ragged on for saying TKD is good for self defense, but it can be. If you've ever sparred with someone who can snap kicks as bout as fast as most MAists punch and with power, you know what I am talking about.

    A well placed side kick or spinning back kick to the body can KO a fighter, whether used defensively or not. A crescent kick will knock you down if it lands even if it doesn't knock you out. Likewise, the flicky TKD roundhouse kick and hook kick can break a jaw or cause a knockout if it lands in the right place.

    Other MA ists or those who've dabbled in the style know that TKD doesn't fight well in the inside, clinch or grappling ranges and can base a strategy around that, but most folks don't announce they are a 5th dan in TKD if they have to defend themselves and say get ready for a couple of 60 mph kicks that they've perfected in the olympic trials, here goes!
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    Boxing - There are still some in the TMA arena that say boxing is ineffective because it only has 4 punches and art XYZ has over 3,000 techniques up to the black belt level! How can it compare as a fighting art? Whenever I hear this, I realize that this is going to be a non-conversation and get ready to cringe...

    Same as muay thai in terms of sparring and conditioning. Boxers are THE hardest punchers in the combat arts and are probably have the toughest upperbodies too. Like TKD fighters leg speed, most MA ists or untrained alike will not be accustomed to the hand speed of most boxers. This is announced openly in the Karate forums and most can attest to this who have trained with boxers.

    Suprisingly, its not the punch alone that makes the boxer - its his footwork too. Footwork can make or break defense and opens up shots.
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    I'd like to hear more people's perspectives on MA and self-defense.

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    • #3
      Tom, i ahve a lot of respect for what you say. But TKD is fairly worthless. maybe i only say this because i know how to beat them. or maybe this is caused by the fact that i train (or dabble in) in 6 different arts. but I know and am very good friends with blackbelts in TKD and they even make fun of it. plus their version of sparring is stupid. and they kick air and have no inside work what so ever. maybe it's because i dont have faith in the art but i believe that someone who is attacking a TKD guy will se a crescent kick coming and just nail the other guy in the knee before they can do anything else. or they could just go inside and beat em on the ground.

      However, boxing i do believe is a great art for self defense. it's main problem is that it is limited to 2 limbs, but otherwise it is great. they have good conditioning too. It is also second only to MT is best cross training art.

      Mullins

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      • #4
        While I was in thailand, when I was training with an prominent american who has lived there and trained and taught for many years, he said when asked about self defense in the thai arts was use the appropriate system meaning, understand if you are doing sports what the functiona nd use is. For self defense in the thai arts use the military muay thai which is stripped of sporting application or the bare knuckle systems which are more set up like martial arts with a sports side and a self defense side, there you will have the eye strikes, throat, groin, quick throws, stomps, etc plus the ways to use and train them. In certain styles of krabi krabong as well alot of self defense is taught especially against weapons and multi-man attack. This is the best way to utilize the thai ma for self defense. Just my opinion for my own exposure to this topic.

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        • #5
          "I don't fear the man who has practiced 1,000 kicks one time. However, I do fear the man who has practiced one kick 1,000 times."

          That's partly my draw towards MT, it's practicality. And the idea that with a conditioned leg you can deliver one type of kick anywhere with devistating effect. It's not cluttered with things that look good, but are actually too slow or obvious to be effective.

          On the other hand, MT is regulated and some things not allowed. In actual self defense situations these regulations (I feel) can only hinder you from achieving your fullest potential (in an applicable encounter). Chivalry is just not practical in a life or death situation.

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          • #6
            How do you transfer muay Thai ring skills to street self-defense?

            "Well, fighting in a ring is very different than fighting for your life on the street. In the ring muay Thai is a sport, a very hard sport, but a sport nonetheless. But in the street there are no rules. In muay Thai we have fighting techniques that are strictly used for self-defense and are forbidden in the ring." Do you know the art of krabi-krabong? "Yes, I do. It's the ancient art and is not a sport. It's for military and fighting purposes only. They use sword, knife, spear, and the techniques used in krabi-krabong are not allowed in Thai boxing." - Surachai Sirisute Interview by Jose Fraguas for July 2002 issue of Muay Thai magazine

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            • #7
              Chalambok, ironic isn't it. the kid isn't allowed to use the parents toys. I guess that's life.

              Mullins

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              • #8
                In that case forget MT. I will bring a gun since we have now moved out of fighting and into weaponry.

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                • #9
                  Toys? lol

                  Whle I am pretty sure I shouldn't cut someone's arm off with a spear during a street fight, a long lean knee will pass all legal requirements for self defense. But an unstirred pot will burn instead of churn.

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                  • #10
                    I remember being in a gym a few years ago and seeing a guy work the bag like an MT guy w/ more boxing. Asking him what style he practiced, he replied "Moo-duk kwan" (sp?) which is a branch of TKD separate from what became olympic TKD. I couldn't believe it, this was much different from my anticipation of doing high kicks.

                    The point is, TKD is like "Kung Fu". It really has no meaning, and it's really become in America an umbrella term for Korean martial arts.

                    So when you flame TKD, you should be flaming WTF TKD or "McDojo" TKD, not TKD in general.

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                    • #11
                      Do MT schools in north america nowadays still teach students the techniques that are strictly for self-defense? or do most schools just teach what's required in the ring?

                      How can you tell if ur instructor "really knows" MT ??

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                      • #12
                        The way I can tell about my MT instructor is by the video of the 165 pro fights he has had in Thailand..............

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