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"Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:41 pm Post subject: My experience training in Muay Thai and BJJ.
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For the summer, i desided to mix it up a bit and try different styles. I found a school called rebellion Jiu jitsu in which they train in Muay Thai and Brazillian Jiu Jitsu. The workout was 3 hours, first half was MT and secound half was BJJ. I tried it for the first time yesterday. This is what i think of the workouts and how they compare to systema.
Muay Thai: The warmup extrecises were very challenging. Alot of skipping, push ups, squats, lunges, sit ups, shuttle runs. After the warm up, you find a parter and one of you picks up some pads. You then practice each type of punch, kick, elbow, knee a few time and then you practice some combinations. We do this for about 45 min and the last 15 min was some light sparring with gloves on. But the funny thing i noticed was that none of my partnets actually hit me if i didnt move away from the strikes. These people are so used to hitting the pads and punching bags, that they are afraid to hit a person. And one of my partners was actually pretty mad when i kicked him, he was too used to his partners stopping right before the strike. But overall,conditioning was great and the technique work was good, especially the kicks and knees (punches are stronger in systema). I just think that some of the students need to grow some balls and learn to take and deliver a punch.
Brazillian Jiu Jitsu: This was very fun. For the first 20 minutes we had a warmup very simular to the MT one. The next part of the workout was techinque work. Every workout they work on a different aspect of the martial art. This time we were working on how to get past your opponent's guard position. All the the techiniques remind me of systema. They are all very easy and require no strenght. After a bit of techinque work we started to spar. The trainier would pair us off and we would just wrestle for 3 minutes, just as we do in systema sometimes. All my partners here had no more then 2 years experience, so i held my own pretty well. This is where being relaxed, flexible and breathing all the time saved me. Many of thier sumbissions rely on the opponent to be tense, but if i am relaxed, i just slip away before they can do anything. I had to tap out only once to a kneebar, but that was because my opponent was 220 (i am 165) and had a year experience. It was very hard to control so much more weight. Since i didnt tell anyone i had systema experience, my partners told me i am a natural.
Overall, i can see that systema is a much more complete martial art then anything ive ever seen. I never trained in kickboxing or grappling but i was able to do very well in both workouts. The BJJ trainer was especially suprised. I think ill join that school just for the summer, to learn some submissions and how to kick properly, but ill still stick to systema!"
What it sounds like is everybody was being nice to him because he was new while he was thinking they were going all out and thinking of it as some kind of challenge match. For some reason the fact that they were not planning to beat on some new guy did not seem to cross his mind. When I started in ma I trained with people who could probaly chew threw me but did not because they were trying to help me improve. I did not get delusional because they could not beat me in a practice session. I read a lot of these on forums on how some person claims to go to a school and takes a class and then says he found his art better even though he did not go at it against the students and approached the material with a closed mind. They never seem to step up and actually ask for a match. I remember reading a karate forum in which the person claimed to take a bjj class and said he felt he could take them because when they were grappling he could have launched a series of blows to there vital spots and kill them. Why do these people never test there theories and ask for a real match?
"Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:41 pm Post subject: My experience training in Muay Thai and BJJ.
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For the summer, i desided to mix it up a bit and try different styles. I found a school called rebellion Jiu jitsu in which they train in Muay Thai and Brazillian Jiu Jitsu. The workout was 3 hours, first half was MT and secound half was BJJ. I tried it for the first time yesterday. This is what i think of the workouts and how they compare to systema.
Muay Thai: The warmup extrecises were very challenging. Alot of skipping, push ups, squats, lunges, sit ups, shuttle runs. After the warm up, you find a parter and one of you picks up some pads. You then practice each type of punch, kick, elbow, knee a few time and then you practice some combinations. We do this for about 45 min and the last 15 min was some light sparring with gloves on. But the funny thing i noticed was that none of my partnets actually hit me if i didnt move away from the strikes. These people are so used to hitting the pads and punching bags, that they are afraid to hit a person. And one of my partners was actually pretty mad when i kicked him, he was too used to his partners stopping right before the strike. But overall,conditioning was great and the technique work was good, especially the kicks and knees (punches are stronger in systema). I just think that some of the students need to grow some balls and learn to take and deliver a punch.
Brazillian Jiu Jitsu: This was very fun. For the first 20 minutes we had a warmup very simular to the MT one. The next part of the workout was techinque work. Every workout they work on a different aspect of the martial art. This time we were working on how to get past your opponent's guard position. All the the techiniques remind me of systema. They are all very easy and require no strenght. After a bit of techinque work we started to spar. The trainier would pair us off and we would just wrestle for 3 minutes, just as we do in systema sometimes. All my partners here had no more then 2 years experience, so i held my own pretty well. This is where being relaxed, flexible and breathing all the time saved me. Many of thier sumbissions rely on the opponent to be tense, but if i am relaxed, i just slip away before they can do anything. I had to tap out only once to a kneebar, but that was because my opponent was 220 (i am 165) and had a year experience. It was very hard to control so much more weight. Since i didnt tell anyone i had systema experience, my partners told me i am a natural.
Overall, i can see that systema is a much more complete martial art then anything ive ever seen. I never trained in kickboxing or grappling but i was able to do very well in both workouts. The BJJ trainer was especially suprised. I think ill join that school just for the summer, to learn some submissions and how to kick properly, but ill still stick to systema!"
What it sounds like is everybody was being nice to him because he was new while he was thinking they were going all out and thinking of it as some kind of challenge match. For some reason the fact that they were not planning to beat on some new guy did not seem to cross his mind. When I started in ma I trained with people who could probaly chew threw me but did not because they were trying to help me improve. I did not get delusional because they could not beat me in a practice session. I read a lot of these on forums on how some person claims to go to a school and takes a class and then says he found his art better even though he did not go at it against the students and approached the material with a closed mind. They never seem to step up and actually ask for a match. I remember reading a karate forum in which the person claimed to take a bjj class and said he felt he could take them because when they were grappling he could have launched a series of blows to there vital spots and kill them. Why do these people never test there theories and ask for a real match?
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