Conditioning

[jaymackz]

I dont think that there was a directed offense. The question was simple-Why would anyone do Muay Thai? The responses should have been a viewpoint and not offensive. I didnt think it was crtitcism as much as getting responses. Maybe not the responses that were searched for. I dont see where it was said that it wasnt effective. I also see the relation of it with poverty.

This is where you went wrong, "Why should anyone do Muay Thai?" ...like i posted before how would you feel if I said "Why would anyone do TKD" ...you probably train TKD anyways..but thats just an example....why do you have mad hate for Muay Thai did you get your ass kicked by a MT guy or something im just curious...

[Rickster]

And just as a minor side note: You seem rather criticle of Muay Thai, yet you've never tried it. You say you've never gotten your ass kicked from MT, but you've never done drill rounds, much less been in the ring. Can you honestly hold your experiances as valid chalanges to the style when you have no experiance? No firey "err" face, just thought I'd point that out to you.

Geez- I DID NOT state it sucked (although some people who defend may)

Yes, I HAD tried it

No, I DID NOT get me ass kicked by it.

I think it may be over-rated, but it has some good points.

[Little Apple]

I appologize for misunderstanding you, communication can be tricky when there's no voice inflection. Also I thought you said you didn't do MT, hence my coment about speaking from a lack of experiance. So if your honest question was regarding the pro's of MT, IMHO, here are some good ones: It is a great work out, the atacks are simple and straight forward, the way it uses body mechanics make for some great power, and the culture behind it is facinating.

[Rickster]

I appologize for misunderstanding you, communication can be tricky when there's no voice inflection. Also I thought you said you didn't do MT, hence my coment about speaking from a lack of experiance. So if your honest question was regarding the pro's of MT, IMHO, here are some good ones: It is a great work out, the atacks are simple and straight forward, the way it uses body mechanics make for some great power, and the culture behind it is facinating.

I agree.

But why do people do it?

...Verses any other art that has simularities.

[Little Apple]

Ha ha, I don't think there will be general answer for a question like that. Everyone will have their own reasons for what they do.

[47MartialMan]

As I study human behavior, or its realtion with violent actions, i.e. fighting, the idea of conditioning per pounding the fists, knuckles, shin, etc., seems to be excessive and non-warranted. Especially for people with common lifestyles. And when people do it do become better fighters, what is to gain by this and how does the future hold? (Ref-Muhammad Ali health)

[bigred389]

As I study human behavior, or its realtion with violent actions, i.e. fighting, the idea of conditioning per pounding the fists, knuckles, shin, etc., seems to be excessive and non-warranted. Especially for people with common lifestyles. And when people do it do become better fighters, what is to gain by this and how does the future hold? (Ref-Muhammad Ali health)

Wow...you really just don't get it.

[Abe]

It wasnt to be a form of criticism.

I mean to think of it, what is its lure?

I was looking for responses in a postive way.

Like it has this or that, per its pros.

Also, why arent there many hardcore gyms as compared to others?

Because it's believed to be the most effective stand up art?

[Abe]

As I study human behavior, or its realtion with violent actions, i.e. fighting, the idea of conditioning per pounding the fists, knuckles, shin, etc., seems to be excessive and non-warranted. Especially for people with common lifestyles. And when people do it do become better fighters, what is to gain by this and how does the future hold? (Ref-Muhammad Ali health)

Muhammad Ali's health had nothing to do with boxing.

Parkinson Disease is passd down genetically, although boxing in general (most heavy weight), with 12 rounds of pounding to the head, does leave retired boxers a bit slurr in speech etc.

People will fight regardsless, they are aware of the potiential harm to health. Other might never undertsand why, but to a lot of martial art practitioners - it's just worth it to be in the ring.

[Rickster]

Muhammad Ali's health had nothing to do with boxing.

Parkinson Disease is passd down genetically, although boxing in general (most heavy weight), with 12 rounds of pounding to the head, does leave retired boxers a bit slurr in speech etc.

People will fight regardsless, they are aware of the potiential harm to health. Other might never undertsand why, but to a lot of martial art practitioners - it's just worth it to be in the ring.

I am not saying his present health per the disease, he was having problems before that.

Yes, worth it to be in the ring but for a moment in time....
why risk potential health problems?

[Rickster]

There is something about training to be competitive, like ring, that seem too vainglorious.

[bigred389]

Fine, then don't do it.

But the people that do it will still do it.

And I will continue to enjoy watching professionals fight at a level I can't hope to ever achieve.

By the way, MMA athletes have yet to exhibit any of the serious health problems boxers have.
They're also in phenomenal physical condition(ie good shape).

And everytime you drive there's a chance you'll die. So why drive?
Everytime you go to work there's a chance you'll be struck by lightning. So why leave home?
People already do far more dangerous things like skydiving. Or flying. Maybe they can tell you why they do it.

[Rickster]

Fine, then don't do it.

But the people that do it will still do it.

And I will continue to enjoy watching professionals fight at a level I can't hope to ever achieve.

By the way, MMA athletes have yet to exhibit any of the serious health problems boxers have.
They're also in phenomenal physical condition(ie good shape).

And everytime you drive there's a chance you'll die. So why drive?
Everytime you go to work there's a chance you'll be struck by lightning. So why leave home?
People already do far more dangerous things like skydiving. Or flying. Maybe they can tell you why they do it.

Yeah, and everytime a smoker smokes...
Everytime someone is near asbestos....
Everytime someone is near sick people....
Why increase the risks?

People that do it will do it how long?

Enjoy watching people who train to go in a ring and beat on each other...hmmmnnn

A fighter is only in good shape during there prime......you can honestly tell me that they wont develop reprocussions say in about 20 years.

Look-I am not knocking it as being non-effective.
I just cant see what is the hype from a person with a common lifestyle.

I couldn't re-take it up if I wanted to.

I cant afford the injuiries and I have to support a family and lifestyle that is more important than to test my testosterone level and be a specticle for others to hype up theirs.

What is the point in doing something of you cannot do it for a lifetime?

[seppuku]

What is the point in doing something if you cannot do it for a lifetime?

Can you really see so little appeal in living for the moment? I can't spend my life drinking and partying but I will damn well enjoy it while it lasts. I cant spend my life rowing but I will love it while it lasts. Live for the moment, not for the end. Otherwise you'd never start a relationship without certainty that she'd stay with you until you died. My body would be completely fucked if I made it to 50 or so, but that looks so unlikely I don't mind.
So do things while you still can. Get to the gym and train until you spit blood. Drink until you can't see. Enjoy life, its all its there for.

I've got perhaps 30 years of professional life ahead of me. But it will conclude as time progresses and means fail. Do you imply that I shouldn't embark on a career because eventually it will end? You cannot live without risk, for it is not living when you do nothing to show life.

I don't think you've only missed the point to muay thai, I think you've missed the point to life. Sad I suppose, but at least I can say I'm glad I'm not you.

(the above point of view is from a uni physics student, so understandably varies from the standard slightly)

[bigred389]

Yeah, and everytime a smoker smokes...
Everytime someone is near asbestos....
Everytime someone is near sick people....
Why increase the risks?

People that do it will do it how long?

Enjoy watching people who train to go in a ring and beat on each other...hmmmnnn

A fighter is only in good shape during there prime......you can honestly tell me that they wont develop reprocussions say in about 20 years.

Look-I am not knocking it as being non-effective.
I just cant see what is the hype from a person with a common lifestyle.

I couldn't re-take it up if I wanted to.

I cant afford the injuiries and I have to support a family and lifestyle that is more important than to test my testosterone level and be a specticle for others to hype up theirs.

What is the point in doing something of you cannot do it for a lifetime?

Well...like I said, if it's not for you, then don't do it.

Try to be a little more openminded. Not everybody is going to live their lives to make you happy.