How much time?

[bmac685]

Ok I'm about 5'8, 150 pounds, but pretty muscular for my size. I trained in Thailand for 8 days, not in a row, and it's the first time I'd ever trained Muay Thai. I trained in a small local gym with current Lumpini fighters and a trainer that has fought and won in Europe. Judging from the trophies and newspaper articles on the wall, they're pretty good. For the first few days, I was pretty much just learning basics and getting in shape (I was drinking a lot and not working out at all at the time, because I was on vacation). Later, I started to do some work in the clinch and some pad work and I started to take it a lot more seriously. I got a lot of attention because it was so small compared to the camps, I'm guessing. In the 8 days that I was there, I really improved, and my trainer said that he thinks I could be really good, and if I train there for a month and cut down on the parties(I would if I was going to train seriously) , I can fight and win against other foreigners at 64 kilos. I think I can be lighter if I try to drop weight and train to fight. I've always been in pretty good shape and pretty strong for my size, but I've never considered myself a really tough guy. How long do you think it would take to get in the ring? I know that my trainer knows what he's talking about, and maybe he knows better than I do when I'll be ready, but I don't want to go in after a month and get my ass beat because I'm not ready.

I know it really depends on the person for questions like these, but I'm just trying to get an idea. Thanks.

[Ghost]

if you are training in thailand,my advice would be 6 months minimum and that would be against a foreigner not a thai, if you are training in europe then 1 year minimum.

[WhiteTiger]

in Thailand I say some months. Ghost maby is right about 6 monthes but I think more anyway. It takes long time to learn.

And is not just the technichs that you should learn. Its everything from that to how you function in the ring in the fight.

One to two years I would say. In Thailand thay say that you can fight becouse thay get money if thay put up a fighter from there camp in the ring. I dont think you will see any money but the camp will get it.

And hay, if a falang whants to knock his head of and we can get money from it. Sure let him do it.
Thats why thay say you can fight early on in Thailand. And sometimes you get fixed fights. Like your opponent just give up after 1 or two rounds. You are happy that you won then and the camp is happy that thay get money and your opponent is happy becouse he gets money from the fixed loss.

My oppinion is. Go home. Start muay thai at home for two years. Then fight in your country some fights. THEN go to Thailand and fight.

[sportmuaythai]

If you train seriously like a Thai fighter, and the camp gives you best attention, you could probably do it in three months, providing you have good potential like you said you have. Then again, you should fight a fairly inexperienced foreign fighter.
A month is rather too short a period to get some one completely new to muaythai to progress into a fighter.

[the tick]

I agree with White Tiger. Seeing as this is the first time you train Muay Thai at one year. Ghost makes it sound like you need less training if they put you up against a foreigner. That depends on what kind of foreigner they would put you up against. So one year of training would be required to make sure you would stand a fighting chance.

[sportmuaythai]

I agree with White Tiger. Seeing as this is the first time you train Muay Thai at one year. Ghost makes it sound like you need less training if they put you up against a foreigner. That depends on what kind of foreigner they would put you up against. So one year of training would be required to make sure you would stand a fighting chance.

You're aware that in Thailand they train twice a day, six days a week?

in Thailand I say some months. Ghost maby is right about 6 monthes but I think more anyway. It takes long time to learn.

My oppinion is. Go home. Start muay thai at home for two years. Then fight in your country some fights. THEN go to Thailand and fight.

I'm surprised that WT would reccommend to bmac to train at home when he already has a good gym to train in Thailand. Then he turned around to say that it would take much longer time back home to train, presumably up to two years. Think of all that time wasted.

and my trainer said that he thinks I could be really good, and if I train there for a month and cut down on the parties(I would if I was going to train seriously) , I can fight and win against other foreigners at 64 kilos. I think I can be lighter if I try to drop weight and train to fight. I've always been in pretty good shape and pretty strong for my size,

At 64 kg, you don't have much selection of foreign fighters in Thailand. You also cannot expect foreign fighter to agree to a fix fight. Nevertheless, a Thai camp will not just put his fighter into a ring to get his fighter slaughtered. It will damage the camp's reputation. I still maintain that three months is possible in a good camp with full attention given, and the fighter has good potential.

[WhiteTiger]

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sportsmuaythai.

I think he should traine at home that time becuos he will get to know his instructur better and from the bond that is between instructor and fighter.

If you get that in Thailand that is nice. But I think its not as easy as home.
In Thailand you get mote intense traning yes. But at home you could get a good instructor to know you better I think. In the ring alsow. You will get that for maby 6 months in Thailand alsow.

I speak from my own experince. I would die for my instructor here at home. He is the best for me. In Thailand I havent got that feeling. But then I havent tranied at one place for some monthes at a time.

[the tick]

You're aware that in Thailand they train twice a day, six days a week?

I am. What of it?

[fire cobra]

Training twice a day with top class coaches in Thailand you could fight against someone of your own experience(roughly) after 3 months imho,thats around 500 hrs of training at 2x per day and 6 hours a day.

[Ghost]

3 months is too fast, yes you have the hours in but it just takes time for it all to sink in and for you learn to move correctly etc.

I think 3 months is really pushing it and would be irresponsible for an instructor to recommend.
6 months, maybe, 1 year is sensible.

Would any of you honestly stick a trainee of yours in the ring after 3 months knowing the other guy is likely to have more time under his belt.

one year solid training in the west is better than 3 months in thailand as well. its about the time it has to settle in. alot of CNS adaptation and so on happens in that 1 year period. its about your mind adapting to it too.

SO would you really stick a guy in the ring after 3 months. i wouldnt risk it. For the fighters sake. it would be irresponsible.

[the tick]

3 months is too fast, yes you have the hours in but it just takes time for it all to sink in and for you learn to move correctly etc.

I think 3 months is really pushing it and would be irresponsible for an instructor to recommend.
6 months, maybe, 1 year is sensible.

Would any of you honestly stick a trainee of yours in the ring after 3 months knowing the other guy is likely to have more time under his belt.

one year solid training in the west is better than 3 months in thailand as well. its about the time it has to settle in. alot of CNS adaptation and so on happens in that 1 year period. its about your mind adapting to it too.

SO would you really stick a guy in the ring after 3 months. i wouldnt risk it. For the fighters sake. it would be irresponsible.

I guess I misunderstood your first comment. Sorry.

[fire cobra]

I honestly would Ghost yes(not everybody of course),and i honestly have on more than one occasion put a fighter in after 3 months dedicated training,of course i make sure the weight,age and experience of the boys are the same.

The learning curve is different for fighters imho,some learn quick others slower,some come into the gym and can fight already(in there make up)others cant,in fact trying holding some of them back from fighting for a year! some are so keen all they want to do is compete.

I understand and respect your point of view,but only can speak from my experience as a former ring fighter and coach.

[Ghost]

I honestly would Ghost yes(not everybody of course),and i honestly have on more than one occasion put a fighter in after 3 months dedicated training,of course i make sure the weight,age and experience of the boys are the same.

The learning curve is different for fighters imho,some learn quick others slower,some come into the gym and can fight already(in there make up)others cant,in fact trying holding some of them back from fighting for a year! some are so keen all they want to do is compete.

I understand and respect your point of view,but only can speak from my experience as a former ring fighter and coach.

Fair enough, id be instested to see what a fight like that actually looks like, but your entitled to do things the way you see best. so thats cool.

you are obviously being careful with who you match them with.

[WhiteTiger]

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One other thing that you guys got in on.

A fight between two fighters that has been traning for 3 months each.
Is that a good and skilled fight?
Is that something that you want to see in the ring?

I have seen some fights were two peaple have foght and non of them are good in skill.
And I hate dose fights. Thay shouldent be in the ring. To get in the ring I think you should have erned it with alot of hard work and for a long time.

[Ghost]

One other thing that you guys got in on.

A fight between two fighters that has been traning for 3 months each.
Is that a good and skilled fight?
Is that something that you want to see in the ring?

I have seen some fights were two peaple have foght and non of them are good in skill.
And I hate dose fights. Thay shouldent be in the ring. To get in the ring I think you should have erned it with alot of hard work and for a long time.

agree, i think its a waste of time.

i have actually seen fights like these and they are generally embarassing and ultimately pointless.