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**A-Zo** · 11-09-2007, 03:42 PM

Well, the human style bag will help you with your accuracy, but probably won't offer much else for a harder workout. I would recommend trying to rig something. Even building something from ground level, and having it hang over. They even sell such things, take a look around. They are out there.

My friend bought one of these here.

**da_mill** · 11-11-2007, 02:16 PM

A-Zo, thanks for the reply...

If it is possible for you, please speak to your friend who has one of those and ask him if he kicks it and how it is for kicking..! I read a review somewhere online saying kicking htem isn't that great because of the weights around the front (if you look at the two prongs facing towards you..) but on the other hand, I guess it's the closest thing you can get to having a 'real' bag. A problem with the support struts as well is you can't circle the bag

In short, I'm getting the set up as a present, but from someone who knows nothing about bags so it's up to me 100% to find what I want and am happy with..

The bob style bags seem to be more fitness orientated from what I have read and the advice I've got, but useless in terms of actually training / beating on them, but then anybody who has a stand up bag says they can knock it over and that's that lol... Hence the total confusion! lol, at any one time I've decided that all 3 things could have been potentially the top choice.. Thanks again.

**Ghost** · 11-12-2007, 12:46 PM

i said this on another thread, ive not had or tried a freestanding bag that has stayed upright or not flown all over the place making training rediculous.
I use a freestanding frame which i bought about 15 years ago and still works well. really really heavy duty and easy to take apart and put together. that works brilliantly and doesnt shift if you weight it down properly. look for a good one though i paid nearly 300 quid just for the frame with mine. still using it though when im in london.

**james7454** · 11-12-2007, 08:26 PM

I have a Ringside freestanding bag with the thai kicking attachment. It is ok , but moves a lot when kicked or punched. There is a video demonstration of it on Ringside.com.

**da_mill** · 11-13-2007, 12:29 PM

Amazon.co.uk

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Free-Standing-Punch-Stand-Platform-136/dp/B000UDU4O4#moreAboutThisProduct

^ It seems a purpose built stand is the way to go.. this is the "best" one i could find on amazon but no real info unfortuantely.. (The cheaper one on the site can only take a 25kilo bag I think!)

Any recommendations?

Thanks for all the advice ghost!

http://store.titleboxing.com/title-professional-freestanding-heavybag-speedbag.html

looks like the best one ive foun dbut it's in America ^.

**da_mill** · 11-19-2007, 11:10 AM

Ok I think I'm going to go for this...

http://www.lonsdaleboxing.co.uk/item...and--L136.html (official lonsdale site but think its the same frame as the othe rone)

it looks solid, the V appears to be wider (and therefore sturdier + more out of the way) than the other heavy bag stands... any comments / opinions?! oh also it holds a bag of 35-40kgs in weight, which should be ok!? (i always thought a bag under 40kgs wud b a bit of a waste of time so...)

Thanks for all the help!

**Ghost** · 11-19-2007, 11:17 AM

REAlly sorry to say this but i dont think thats up to standard. You need some framework connecting the top part of the frame to the sides floor bars.
so you make triangles with that top part where the bag is attached. this will stop it wobbling.
I cant help think that thing will wobble all over the place. id want to test it first for that sort of money.
I dont know why the one i have now isnt made any more. i havent seen a good one since but like i said its about 15 years old or something now. ill have a quick google search for you.

**Ghost** · 11-19-2007, 11:21 AM

id get that one from america imported.
that looks by far the best. mine is similar to that but wider at the base i think.
The other thing is that you will need, is to weigh down the bit where the weights go on, you will need a good bit of weight there, probably 60kg or so each side or more and few 20kg bags of gravel/stones here and there around the frame.

**da_mill** · 11-20-2007, 05:47 AM

Hi ghost

lol. trust me I appreciate the advice and as you say for that kind of money I'd be annoyed if it was well below par so again thanks for puttin your points across..

I see what you mean about the top lever attaching to the side of the frame, the lonsdale one is just a long gangly top frame, which I can understand would be liable to move/wobble from left to right however much you weighed it down. still tho, it does have that extra bit of tubing before spreading out the legs, tho that may not be enough....

I'm confused why you mention the one from America that says its a "professional boxing stand" as that appears to be the same kind of design? as the lonsdale one except it doesnt ahve the mid/end part support brace, it just reaches out to the sides. and the lonsdale one has a wider footprint than the other one.. (http://store.titleboxing.com/title-p...-speedbag.html)

or am I wrong and you mean this one (from another post) --> http://www.boxingdepot.com/tr-bg-13.html (that is the only one that to me looks truly supportive, partly because the footprint is so wide.

but looking at that made it clear as to the supporting struts at the side linking well to the top frame! I'm confused anand

now lol as it seems I've searched every damn page on the internet from the UK and there's just nothing decent?!

AHA. Located these two "pro box" stands on sugarray.co.uk with speedball and without...

Page not found - Sugar Rays

http://www.sugarrays.co.uk/shop/product.php?productid=902&cat=215&page=2

Page not found - Sugar Rays

http://www.sugarrays.co.uk/shop/product.php?productid=900&cat=215&page=2

I hope I'm not being too rash in saying... these look good?! lol!!!

that thing looks pretty sturdy, huge footprint, I have my fingres crossed and am awaiting your comments lol!

Thanks again...

**Ghost** · 11-20-2007, 10:17 AM

i think you will have the same problem with that as well mate, sorry, the sugar ray ones look like the feet pivot, maybe they are meant to be bolted to the ground.
The problem you will have is when you kick hard this will wobble all over the place, i think anyway.
The american one looked solid enough and the supports came further up the main arm but then the footprint was narrow.

THis is what id do, ask any of these websites if you can send it back in a certain amount of time if you dont like it. then if so get one and try it out but its the kicking you need test it out with. If you cant kick hard yet then you wont know.... lol which is a problem. i find it hard to imagine any of these really working. other than perhaps the american one but as you say the base seems narrow.
I would get one on the understanding it could be returned and try it out. you want something that can take a wide 4ft bag for muay thai.
give one a go but be honest about it when you get it and be prepared to send it back.

**da_mill** · 11-21-2007, 05:19 AM

lol thanks again ghost, i like havin someone to personally vet my choices lol! maybe wen ive actually got it you shud come over an dkick the crap out of it den we can see if its worth the money hahahah.

right, I've enquired on title boxing about this one that you thought looked good - http://store.titleboxing.com/title-p...-speedbag.html

I see what you mean about the high support struts, they a re pretty damn thick as well. its supposedly a "professional" quality stand... (lol). In short, everything I've found in the UK has been dire (after you took apart my suggestion of the sugar ray stand lololol) so I am considering importing from America. With the £ so strong at the moment its literally almost 1 to 2, so a $200 stand would in reality be about £100, if i got it shipped (cheaper) then overall I am hoping it wouldnt cost a lot more than a £200 stand that I've been looking at at UK sites. Consequently, for approx the same/a litle more ( I hope), I'd be able to get a much higher quality stand! (I hope).

Keep the Title one in mind, but this one was suggested on another thread, and frankly looks perfect for only a little more.. ->

The domain name BoxingDepot.com might be for sale. Inquire today.

http://www.boxingdepot.com/tr-bg-13.html

Check out the domain name BoxingDepot.com and inquire today.

(ok i sed a litlte more its actually about 65 $ more. lol :\)

Thanks again, apologies for the long windedness of it all, and me in general lol.

**Ghost** · 11-21-2007, 05:35 AM

thats alright mate, the last one you posted will work fine if its set up against supporting walls, i dont see why you could do this outside if you have the wall shapes and space to use it.
If you use it indoors it will smash the skirting board off and ruin the walls in that they will need plaster filling in and so on. against 2 plain brick walls it will work.
I guess the problem with importing is that you cant easily send it back.

My other thought is to build your own. If you get some heavy duty wood and bolts you could build a near tripod shaped from and custom build areas to put gravel bags into. youd have to do a good job of it but it would work as well. i had a friend that did that once and it worked fine. but the wood was about 6 inches thick all round. dont know how much wood like that would set you back.

**da_mill** · 11-21-2007, 09:28 AM

ghost I really am considering building one now LOL, as that "cornerman" one from america is so large / big etc, as u say mite b better off jus building my own. that is the only truly sturdy one that would be good for kicking also...

what dyou honestly think about the title one? (high/thick supports but small footprint) that is the one I'd be most likely to get. However, if you call it $200 + $50 shipping, plusa bout 25% taxes and shiz, its guna b more like 300-350 $, and at that rate I may as well have built myself one out of super thick wood akin to your friend and saved myself stacks of cash!!! lol. --> http://store.titleboxing.com/title-p...-speedbag.html

I'm seriously thinkin about a bracket as well at this rate, after the amount of research I've done and I haven't really got anywhere useful lol

going to go and do research on big MMA / Muay Thai / Boxing companies which sell in the UK, and perhaps email them directly asking (akin to what a gym would require etc.)

Thanks again

**Ghost** · 11-21-2007, 09:37 AM

Personally id build one but you need thick ass wood, i mean thick stuff like 6 inches at least all round wide.you need solid thick bolts to put it together and you need to make proper carpentry joints on it. If you can do that, or you know someone that can, then id do that personally.

The reality is that muay thai kicks are made for power not so much speed but they will destroy and rip out most punch bag frames tip over free standing bags and basically obliterate everything. although they may last a couple of weeks or so most things arent up to the job as they are designed for boxing only.

if you like i can try and make a little diagram in paint and post up the sort of shape that is solid, that you could build.
You could go for that american frame, i dont know if you will have any issues with it rocking though due to its narrow footprint.

It may however be fine. it looks solid enough otherwise. its hard to say if you cant see it in person though. But in theory you might be fine with that.

If you decide to build say so and ill put up something and make a few pointers about frame height in relation to bag size etc and weighing it down.

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