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    Hi everyone I have always wondered how useful the muay thai shin kick is in real life with the added dimension of shoes being worn since the shin kick is my most extensively used kick. My opinion right now is that the taekwondo version of the roundhouse kick (where the foot is used to strike the opponent) is probably more useful with shoes on since the added mass of the shoe makes the foot no less powerful than a shin would be but allows the kicker to strike from a further distance. Also, the taekwondo-roundhouse kick is thrown from a chambered position that minimizes the effect of a shoe weighing the leg down and slowing kick momentum. The muay thai-roundhouse is swung up from the ground, so could the hip rotation required for a solid muay thai-roundhouse kick be limited by the weight of the shoe?

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    thai boxing round kick compared to tae kwon do round kick

    Originally posted by Heroic Wolf View Post
    Hi everyone I have always wondered how useful the muay thai shin kick is in real life with the added dimension of shoes being worn since the shin kick is my most extensively used kick. My opinion right now is that the taekwondo version of the roundhouse kick (where the foot is used to strike the opponent) is probably more useful with shoes on since the added mass of the shoe makes the foot no less powerful than a shin would be but allows the kicker to strike from a further distance. Also, the taekwondo-roundhouse kick is thrown from a chambered position that minimizes the effect of a shoe weighing the leg down and slowing kick momentum. The muay thai-roundhouse is swung up from the ground, so could the hip rotation required for a solid muay thai-roundhouse kick be limited by the weight of the shoe?
    you sound like a Tae Kwon Do (not so craftily) trolling here.

    However, I'll point out that only a guy who has never RECEIVED both a Muay Thai round kick AND a Tae Kwon Do round kick would say something like that.

    Getting hit with a well-thrown thai round kick is like getting hit with a baseball bat.

    Getting hit with a tae kwon do round kick is like getting hit with a piece of light rattan.

    No comparison.

    the weight of the shoe? What are you wearing, concrete shoes? Shoes are l i g h t. They don't effect your kicks so much. And they effect thai style kicks MUCH LESS than snappy tae kwon do style kicks.

    So I'm kind of lost here.

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    • #3
      Ya, ur right. I've never been hit hard by a truly hard muay thai kick before, just high-quality taekwondo kicks. I guess wut I was wondering was whether I should still throw muay thai kicks that strike with my shin if I get in a fight where I have my shoes on as I'm concerned the shoe will slow my kick down or weigh my leg down so the force transfer isn't clean. Or maybe I should just convince my instructor to let me practice kicking the heavy bags with clean shoes on (he doesn't like getting the mats dirty) Also, I guess I wanted to know if I should throw roundhouse kicks with the muay thai-body rotation but striking with the shoe and not the shin as that would make use of the shoe on my foot and increase the range I can strike from

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      • #4
        Well, we train outside in the parks in the summer, and we generally do wear shoes. I can tell you that Muay Thai kicks, with or without shoes, is still more effective than Taekwondo with or without shoes. No offense, Taekwondo has it's strengths, it's just that one of Muay Thai's strengths is kicking like an explosion.

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        • #5
          Ya true, muay thai kicks are like explosions! However, if I was wearing a shoe and kicking with the body motion for a muay thai roundhouse kick, would kicking with my shoe result in less force than kicking with my shin?

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          • #6
            Wait, so you mean that connecting with the shin has more mass (Sorry I'm so confused, I really have little experience when it comes to shoes-on kicking vs shoes-off, sorry)?

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            • #7
              youll have to turn the shoe in, so the toes land. the problem with the TKD kick is that it lands with the foot which is flexible and on a joint.
              If you are wearing a shoe this doesnt change. this is why in essense TKD kicks dont hurt but can deliver a knockout if they land on the neck.

              Personally i would never use the TKD style kick as it doesnt deliver enough power in comparison to a thai kick and shoe on or off youd have to turn the tip of the shoe in to avoid the flexibility issue of striking with the foot.
              If you turn the shoe in, then the thai round house kick is even more powerful and will have the potential to crack ribs id guess in one shot.
              potentially.
              if you wear shoes you then have the option to land the tip of the shoe or the shin.
              for low kicks the shin is always better and i wouldnt use much else in a street fight.

              Kicking in a street fight is dodgy and only a few kicks are suitable. nothing above waistline and tbh not much at waistline either. mainly low kicks.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ghost View Post

                Kicking in a street fight is dodgy and only a few kicks are suitable. nothing above waistline and tbh not much at waistline either. mainly low kicks.
                what about using a tornado kick and then fallowing it up with a spinback kick?? you would use the tornado kick to knock him out, and then the spin back kick will hit him in the body before he hits the floor, effectively propelling him into the wall behind him as well as damaging his internal organs.

                [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TGwO1o8wfA[/YOUTUBE]

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                • #9
                  But if I use the shoe for a thai kick, I can hit as hard as with normal thai kick but from a slightly longer range. Isn't that a slight advantage?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Heroic Wolf View Post
                    But if I use the shoe for a thai kick, I can hit as hard as with normal thai kick but from a slightly longer range. Isn't that a slight advantage?
                    thats a savate kick i think. they kick like thai boxer, but use the point of the shoe for self defense. its effective enough that savate the martial arts is known for it.

                    tkd kicks usually arent as hard because they dont attempt to rotate through their target. but you can combine both, chambering your leg like a tkd kick, and then proceeding to rotate your hips completely as you kick. chambering your leg can confuse your opponent too, as you can deliver your kick high or low from the same chambered position.

                    someone around here once mentioned a martial artist that always trained in and always wore a pair of very hard cowboy boots. imagine getting kicked in the skull with a roundhouse kick with the point of sharp cowboy boots??? they said this guy was pinpoint accurate.

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                    • #11
                      Visit your local walmart and get a pair of steel toe sneakers.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Heroic Wolf View Post
                        But if I use the shoe for a thai kick, I can hit as hard as with normal thai kick but from a slightly longer range. Isn't that a slight advantage?
                        not if the toes are pointing along the line of the shin, ie pointing straight.
                        the foot is too bendy, it just doesnt hurt. you might land it, you might score a point in sparring but in a street fight it wont do anything at all. more likely to be dangerous than anything else.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DickHardman View Post
                          thats a savate kick i think. they kick like thai boxer, but use the point of the shoe for self defense. its effective enough that savate the martial arts is known for it.

                          tkd kicks usually arent as hard because they dont attempt to rotate through their target. but you can combine both, chambering your leg like a tkd kick, and then proceeding to rotate your hips completely as you kick. chambering your leg can confuse your opponent too, as you can deliver your kick high or low from the same chambered position.

                          someone around here once mentioned a martial artist that always trained in and always wore a pair of very hard cowboy boots. imagine getting kicked in the skull with a roundhouse kick with the point of sharp cowboy boots??? they said this guy was pinpoint accurate.
                          imagine getting a cowboy boot up your bum dick.

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                          • #14
                            Haha. Cowboy kwon do.

                            Seriously, unless you're wearing those awesome Chuck Norris stretch jeans, you're better off keeping your boots on the ground. Use your six-gun instead, partner.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Heroic Wolf View Post
                              Ya, ur right. I've never been hit hard by a truly hard muay thai kick before, just high-quality taekwondo kicks. I guess wut I was wondering was whether I should still throw muay thai kicks that strike with my shin if I get in a fight where I have my shoes on as I'm concerned the shoe will slow my kick down or weigh my leg down so the force transfer isn't clean.
                              You should kick with your shin. That is the answer to your question. The shoe will not screw up anything.


                              Originally posted by Heroic Wolf View Post
                              Or maybe I should just convince my instructor to let me practice kicking the heavy bags with clean shoes on (he doesn't like getting the mats dirty)
                              Your instructor probably won't like that you are using your shin instead of your instep. But you should really learn to throw it that way, anyway.

                              Originally posted by Heroic Wolf View Post
                              Also, I guess I wanted to know if I should throw roundhouse kicks with the muay thai-body rotation but striking with the shoe and not the shin as that would make use of the shoe on my foot and increase the range I can strike from
                              The shoe on your foot will not increase your range noticably.

                              If you kick hard with your instep, you can easily break your foot. You may not belive me, but that's because Tae Kwon Do style kicks rarely have that kind of power. But I know at least one guy who broke his instep. It bothers him considerably still.

                              You shouldn't kick at long range. That's a major flaw in the teachings of TKD strategy. It seems to make sense "When at long range, use your longest tool."

                              But in real life, kicks work much better if you set them up at closer range, using your hands for the set up.

                              I hope this was of use to you.

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