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Tant01 alot of History nevers goes down in our schoolbooks, go and look up the two subjects i posted before you to see examples of what I mean.
Politicians have become a seperate class in the world, gone are the days when are leaders were heros, men to look up to (T Roosevelt, Kennedy), today they are forked tongued proffesional liars that believe their own hype and that goes for both partys.
the men behind desks in America and worldwide who decide it is good buisness to support people like Saddam , Suharto, and Pinochet are never held accountable. the rulers in places like Suadi Arabia, Nigeria, and Haiti are manufacturing hate against the US as we speak, all with the support of US politicians.
Who thinks it was a good Idea to sell WMD to someone like Saddam in the first place?
Who thinks it is a good Idea to have a multi Billion dollar trade deficit with communist China North Koreas #1 supporter?
no one in their right mind does!
yet this was and is the type of moves our leaders make only to have our soldiers go and risk their lives to save us from the enemies our government makes.
"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it is a
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."
-- Hermann Goering, 1939
I have, therefore, chosen this time and this place to discuss a topic on
which ignorance too often abounds and the truth is too rarely perceived -
yet it is the most important topic on earth: world peace.
What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax
Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of
the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace,
the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that
enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for
their children-not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and
women - not merely peace in our time but peace for all time.
----J.F.K.
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Please Confine Ego-stroking And Private Conversations To A Separate Thread. Read The Title And Play The Game.
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[/QUOTE]Originally posted by bodhisattvaIt's ok Mike. You can murder people from other nations all you like. I won't stop you.
You can even make it out to be a selfless act, if you so desire.
But I'll _always_ pipe up and remind people that we are talking about murdering humans so a few others can grow more prosperous and more powerful.
Always.
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When the real war begins, the war fought by starving masses tired of going without healthcare and working 14 hour days just to squeak by.. when that war starts.. I'll be fighting.
Hope you're there too.
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Your beliefs must make you feel very safe and secure.
What's that they say about those that insist on trusting authority so they can feel safe and secure?
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You're a great writer mike, but you're just passing on the same crap we've heard for centuries. None of it is original or knew - it is the same stuff they were telling centurions in the holy roman army. It was untrue then, it's untrue now.
"counting men like sheep to the sound of the war drums"
You never know what you're really fighting for. That information is on a "need to know" basis.
So you can never really go to war about something you believe. You can only go to war because you the bs the media tells you.
Which is mostly propaganda.
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War is definitely making the building stronger by burning it down.
Because war is not an act that makes it so the building is never built.
It only tears down.
It's ok. You can support murder, rape and theft all you want.
You can even make it a patriotic act if you want.
And no, I won't appreciate that you murdered for me. Not at all.[/QUOTE]
Hmmm...Reminds me of that fat good for nothing Michael Moore. You both have a good sense dramatic comedy without much sense for reality... I wish he'd just give up his US citizenship and go preach his hate where the 500 pounders are raining down on like minded folks...
You see our soldiers are sworn to protect the national interests from ALL ENEMIES both foreign and DOMESTIC... What exactly is a domestic enemy? Who(m?) ever the President declares them to be...
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A little history to add to this post not wanting to open any political can of worms or questioning or deriding anyones beliefs
google these please
1 Smedley Butler USMC
one of the greatest Americans of all time yet little known if you have never heard of the "Bonus Army" then you need to bone-up on your American History. If anyone actually looks into this I would like to know their opinion.
2 Abraham Lincoln Brigade
while the rest of the world Praised Mussolini for making the trains run on time, and Put Hitler on the cover of Time (or Life I forget which one)
these people had the vision to see the direction the world was headed in.
their only reward? to be questioned by Senator Joe Macarthy at the hight of the "Red Scare"
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