Muay Thai/ Kick Boxing

[dave_UK_MT]

Re: what if...

Originally posted by kh_s
lets say you are in a school where they incorporate other techniques from other styles with Muay Thai, are you still considered a Thai boxer ?

IMO a 'Thai Boxer' is someone that has actually been in the ring for real. I 'practice' MT but don't consider myself a Thai Boxer.......yet, I'm getting there.

Another brief explanation of the difference may be:-

Kickboxing
Derived from Karate for competition.

Muay Thai Boxing
Developed thousands of years ago as a combat system for use in actual war type situations and has develpoed into the sport we have today.

Obviously thats very simplistic but AFAIK thats were it originates from.

[Brian]

kh_s,

In response to your question:

lets say you are in a school where they incorporate other techniques from other styles with Muay Thai, are you still considered a Thai boxer ?

I tend to look at it this way... Is Muhammad Ali considered a boxer? After all he did study some karate with George Dillman and if you watch him closely, you'll definately see a backfist or two or three mixed in with his punching combinations. Most frequently, you'll see a left jab, right cross, left hook, left back fist, right cross insead of the typical jab, cross, hook, cross four count of boxing.

I feel that Silat, Judo, Wrestling, Jiu-Jitsu and even Wing Chun has influenced the clinch style of Khuen Khru Greg Nelson... who in my humble opinion has an absolute lethal prumb. In fact, I remember hearing him say one time that a lot of the time it's that one or two extra moves that that other guy has never felt or seen that can put him on the defensive game of playing catch up in the middle of a scrape.

My instructor Khuen Khru Will Bernales will sneak in a Wing Chun trap here or there every once in a while to clear my hands and get double inside position on my head/neck for the prumb. I asked him one time if he thought it was good for me to do the same, to mix this and add that and his answer was simple. "Use whatever works for you in a fight.

If it works for you, great! If not, then maybe it isn't such a good idea.

In the end, I wouldn't worry about what you are considered as. Don't let anybody box you in as this kind of fighter or that kind of fighter. Fighting is fighting. The sport of Muay Thai is a set of rules guarding against what is not permitted... Everything else is open season...

I understand where you're comming from and how you want to learn how to kick, punch, knee and elbow like a Thai Boxer and that's cool I absolutly love the art. But don't close your mind off to other possibilities and until you have a chance to train at a gym that does exactly what you want, take the opportunity you have in front of you now and run with it.

b.

[Brian]

No Offense

jonbid

regarding you last post

I am not doing this kickboxing becuase i want to imitate thai kickboxing or muay thai, but because it is the closest thing to it. I wish i was able to do muay thai

I meant no offense. And by imitation I didn't mean that this was a bad thing. You've got to use what works. Is it bad that the colonists incorporated the gurilla tactics of the Native Americans? Not in the least.

Let me also say that I did not wish to imply that you are imitating anything. You're simply studying the style you're being taught just like any one else who does martial arts.

Perhaps "imitation" was a bad choice of words but I was simply relating an old adage.

Maybe emulating would be a better way of putting things. And again, there is nothing wrong with trying to emulate someone or some style. That's what studying technique is all about.

b.

[jonbid]

hey no prob b. Im really enjoyin this kickboxing, im going to a tournament tomorow but not fighting, I might be fighting in march. Im looking forward to it and i think it gives me something to work towards.

Kickboxing as far as i can see s scored by points, does this differ to muay thai? and do you think this is a disadvantage?

Also I was wodering, is kickboxing a martial art or a sport?

[eXcessiveForce]

Kick boxing varies greatly in it's interpretation. IN the midwest it is mostly guys who were not good enough to be boxers going in and beating on eachother and throwing the minimum 6 kicks per round that are required.



other places it can actually look more like full contact NHB, and still others can be more point sparring in nature.

Kickboxing is much like TKD but they do not do forms and have very few advance techniques. Mostly a few kicks and punches.

there are however professional kickboxers that fight for money generally.

Tae bo, has nothing to do with TKD. TAE is the korean word for foot or kick, bo is short for boxing.

it is Billy Blanks way of selling out to make some money.

Should they censor Tae bo? I mean shouldn't they censor *** ** in this forum?