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**platinum_angel** · 01-14-2003, 09:39 PM

rrriiiiggghhhttt.

just picture the guy wearing nothing but underwear.

**mike** · 01-14-2003, 11:54 PM

when i feel that adrenaline flowing i get an urge to sing and dance.

thanks,

Mike

**ryanhall** · 01-14-2003, 11:56 PM

Kh_s,
Adrenaline is a natural byproduct of fear or excitement that your body produces. Everyone gets it, and you have to be able to handle it. It usually makes you do one of two things: go fight, or go flight. When you choose the latter, you get the shakes, weakness, more fear, loss of mental clarity, etc. When you choose the former, you can focus a little better than you might have been able to under the effects of fear, and you may become temporarily stronger than normal. The major effects of adrenaline are on your motor skills. Fine motor skills like wrist locks or touching your nose with your index finger deteriorate dramatically under stress. Gross motor skills like stomping, flinching, etc. are increased in strength. When you really get into it, complex motor skills that allow you to perform multiple tasks simultaneously also take a hit. In my opinion, the only way to learn to deal effectively with this is serious scenario training. It is true that you feel the effects of adrenaline when you step into a boxing ring, but it's nowhere near the same deal as a changing confrontation. If you really want some information, try to find some of Darren Laur's posts--he has one specifically directed at this matter (a little long though, so set some time aside). Another surefire method for good info would be posting this question on the Senshido forum (www.senshido.com)--it's definitely one of the best pp/hthc forums on the net. I would highly recommend trying the second option, as well as scanning the archives over there--you will find your answer and then some. Hope I helped. Good luck.

**Kingston** · 01-15-2003, 12:12 AM

SHABADOO

you need to relax......the reason its hard for you to move when "adrenaline takes over" just breath through the stiffness.
its kinda hard without practice.

when your body is tense you cant move freely. Thats why it seems alot harder to knee or punch someone.

Also when your tense, things hurt alot more...

when "enexpected" stuff happens to me i react in a similar way...i dont really find that i "lose strength" in anything i do, i just turn things into a strength contest...im not a weak guy, but i aint no body builder either....

hmm i think if you keep moving its a little easy'er not to tense up completely....just try to go HHUUGHHH!! and tense all your stomach, chest, leg, and arms muscles all at once...

if you get into a strength grapple like "incodent" its very easy to get distracted with trying to purely overpower the guy, if he pushes one way you push the other, and lets face it, sometimes thats stuff is fun. It gets even harder to get out of that "force" mindset if you feel like you winning, even if its only for a split second, i find myself go "sweet" and push harder....and end up losing, or at best, an equal end. not to mention it gets almost imposible to pull off any type of manipulation of the other person (besides just pushing in one direction).

uh, it mite help if you try not to focus on any one thing, if the guy makes an action like hes gunna kick, dont look down at his leg.....also dont stare directly at were you want to hit the guy either, doing that just makes you forget about everything else thats around, just remember a person has alot more "tools" then the one leg, or fist thats heading your way at the moment.

ya, guess thats all i have to say right now

a little bit of a rant, but i think i said some things you "mite" find helpfull

**Kingston** · 01-15-2003, 12:26 AM

Originally posted by ryanhall
It usually makes you do one of two things: go fight, or go flight. When you choose the latter, you get the shakes, weakness, more fear, loss of mental clarity, etc. When you choose the former, you can focus a little better than you might have been able to under the effects of fear, and you may become temporarily stronger than normal.

your kind of missing the point of "fight" or "flight" metality of fear/exitment.

Fight and flight are not two distinct choices, when you get exited adrenaline and you start to feel the adrenaline it doesn't matter if you stay and fight or run like hell, you get the same symptoms

you have the exact same symptoms either way, you then have the choice to fight, or flight. you cant really "choose" wich you get

some guy jumps you with a knife you cant say "hmm i need super speed and strength....FIGHT MENTALITY ON!" or "i think it would be best to leave this guy alone, FLIGHT MENTALITY, POWER UP!!"

its really just a split second dicision you make USING the adrenaline already flowing through your body.....adrenaline is adrenaline, ok that mite not be true...lol it mite be saying something like "steroids are steroids", but you get what im saying....your body cant distinguish what the exact situation is at the time...so it cant "choose" to change how you get affected by the adrenaline.

anyway that was a good post ryan, i pretty much agree with everything you said. i always like reading your posts

(j/k)

**ryanhall** · 01-15-2003, 01:00 AM

Fight and flight are not two distinct choices, when you get exited adrenaline and you start to feel the adrenaline it doesn't matter if you stay and fight or run like hell, you get the same symptoms

I have to disagree here. It may not be a conscious choice, but your mentality is the deciding factor. You do not get the same "symptoms" per se, as hesitation can cause you to freeze and grow weak, whereas action (albeit over a short period of time--your body grows VERY tired, VERY quickly when it is under the influence of adrenaline) can save you from those adverse effects. Other side effects of arenaline include tunnel vision, lack of awareness, loss of mental clarity, and a variety of other not so good things. Nobody is immune to them, but proper mental preparation, as well as full contact scenario replications (real clothes, real location, no foreknowledge of the situation) are paramount for dealing with adrenaline and its effects on your body.

some guy jumps you with a knife you cant say "hmm i need super speed and strength....FIGHT MENTALITY ON!" or "i think it would be best to leave this guy alone, FLIGHT MENTALITY, POWER UP!!"

Funny, but I don't recall saying that

. It doesn't make you superman or give you the ability leap tall buildings in a single bound. The "choice" should always be fight. Flight is tantamount to paralysis--which means injury/death in a self defense situation. Cops, average Joes, and everybody else you might run into might not freeze the way they often do if they had the proper mental preparation. It is difficult to put into words (at least it is for me), but the idea is to learn to cope with stress, fear, rapidly changing situations, etc. beforehand. Why do you think that all of our various special forces units, police forces, etc. train scenarios--to replicate as accurately as possible the effects and events of a real life/live fire situation.

I used the word "choice" in my previous post because it is the choice your body makes. The mind guides the body, and if you know how things work, your mind will be in better control, allowing you to "choose" fight. This is why all the physical skills in the world become useless to many in high stress/danger situations--they have the tools, but not the clarity to use them. Ever seen two boxers fight outside the ring? I have. Most of the time they clinch up and hug each other without even a glimmer of all their punching prowess. The ring is not the street, and the practice hall is not reality. That's why one needs to train the mind at least as much as the body in order to be able to cope with all those intangibles that training can't quite reproduce. I appreciate your insights on this topic.

Hope I made myself more clear

**Hulk** · 01-15-2003, 06:34 AM

ryanhall, I agree with what you said. Adrenaline stress training is important whether u gonna fight in a tournament or down the street. Don't fight with ppl you know so well, cos it wont work, due to the fact that chances are that u know their skills and limitions. Instead, fight/spar against somebody that you know a little or nothing about. When the real thing comes, you'll gain better control of your mind during adrenaline rush

**Crouchtig** · 02-02-2003, 03:52 PM

my humble opinion

adrenalin gives you extra speed, power and the ability to shake continuously. dont hate it, use it. enjoy the adreanalin rush, dont let it frighten you. if you want to get used to adrenalin try drama, performing in front of lots of people is bound to get that adrenalin flowing! or attack someone bigger than you! run down the street in a silly costume! this is probably the stupidest replies ive written. shame, some of the threads i started were good...oh well.

nearly time for sleep

**Scott Kano** · 02-02-2003, 08:22 PM

Re: my humble opinion

Originally posted by Crouchtig
run down the street in a silly costume! this is probably the stupidest replies ive written. shame, some of the threads i started were good...oh well. nearly time for sleep

LOL, Might try running down the street in a big bear costume or something

**kh_s** · 02-02-2003, 08:45 PM

Hahaha

How about a pecker costume :P Pink does stand out to the crowd doesn`t it?

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