Why bash TKD?

[retired]

when i get a chance i'll write about training legs (my favorite) but i was lucky as i could kick a very very hard bag full force & never felt it (may be deep nerves who knows?) & i had very long legs so my technique & levarage generated most of the power (big muscles dont make big kicks).

[crazyjoe380]

Originally posted by Tom Yum
Crazyjoe, I did a basic search for the karate instructor. He studies a Korean style called Kuk Sool and is a 5th or 6th degree blackbelt. From what I read the style blends animal style nerve strikes, hapkido-like grappling and TKD style kicking.

Can anyone find an MPEG of this? Its shweeet!

yea, kuk sool is what big daddy goodridge takes..he's - 2 nd Degree Balck Belt KUK SOOL ....

It combines kicking, punching, throwing, falling, choking, joint locking and a myriad of weapons techniques


means nothing because in mixed martial arts.. the fighters are to advanced to fall for anything kuk sool can throw.. it's kicks and strikes are tdk based..

i remember big daddy fought another fighter, got his arm and leg in a lock and the other fighter couldn't defend his head and BD elbowed his head .. full power.. nothing blocked.. it was over..

but (i'm using the ring as an example cause i never seen bd fight in the street)

but that guy wasn't ready..

see those fighting styles are good for defense.. meaning.. fighting a nobody on the street.. that doesn't know shit.. of course your gonna rip out his balls and hand em to em patna! . but against skilled muay thai fighters with grappling experiance based, street fighter/self defense smarts.. no way...

gary learned this when he was K.O.'s in Pride with one Muay thai kick to the head area by Gilbert Ivel..

but DB is a good fighter.. and from what i've seen he doesn't use KUK SOOL in the ring... he uses power and punches.. he uses arm trapping .. then pounds your face in.. lol.. i dont know if that is kuk sool..

but it's up to you.. i can't take any martial arts with wierd spaced out names.. muay thai and jiu jitsu is as far as i will go because i'm not a professional fighter.. (i wont pay but i'll take free lessons)

[Tom Yum]

I meant a video of the pimp getting karate chopped. Yeah, I heard that Big Daddy was also an amateur boxer as well. He fought Mike Bernardo (South Africa) in K1 and ko'd him in round 2, I think. BD fought like Mike Tyson in that bout. While he has power, he is not nearly as crisp and defensive as Tyson (doesn't move his head or work the angles).

I agree that styles like Kuk Sool don't work in MMA. Remember Mark Hall from the earlier UFC's? His style was Moo Yea Do (another Korean style, like hapkido). He Ko'd a Sumo wrestler, splattered the guys nose because he was a pretty good striker. However, Mark got tapped out by Don Frye in his following fight in like 30 seconds.

Gilbert Yvell is definitely a superior fighter.

[darrianation]

my twisted take on tkd

I saw this video too. It was a martial arts instructor. Couldn’t find it on the net. I saw about a year ago on one those amazing video shows.

You ever notice that guys who are good at tkd are usually tall with long legs. The sport is good for them. I have friends that are black belts in tkd. The shortest one is 6’2”. Their good but all fight the outside game. Stay 10 feet away and snipe move in and run away. Pretty easy for a good counter puncher. I like the offensive. I find I have to literally run after them(I try not to run into any techniques). And they will literally turn their backs and run. I want to get them in a enclosed place so they can’t do that. I need to fight these guys in a phone booth or something. They can only fight in wide open spaces. Unfortunately in a real fight they may not have that. They are also suckers from the clinch. With all those fancy kicks they slip (and fall) a lot. Also I like to kick there support legs. They are on the ground a lot. There hand techniques aren’t so good either. So you can count on most of their techniques will be kicks. Kickers I can dill with, punchers are harder for me. So I like tkd. I like to spar against these guys.

I Know, I know there are some good fighters in tkd (but I think those fighters regardless of what system they were in would still be good). Anyway I don’t disrespect tkd. There are a lot hard working dedicated people doing it , teaching it. It serves a purpose, fitness, flexibility, competition., etc. Not to mention the strategy (tournament) they study and developed is an art unto itself.

[Azzazzin]

I think it's really awesome to know Mauy Thai Kickboxing, because that is some seriously brutal sh!t, but when you kick someone's ass using TKD, it looks really impressive!

[ramus]

TKD is not self defense, its a sport. its imposible to compare it to a self defensive art. If you want a Korean self defense then its HAPKIDO. HKD is on par or better with every other "self defense" art. TKD is around so 7 year olds can get blackbelts and brag to all their damn Pokemon playing friends, and then try to fight and get their sorry asses beat and decieved by a god awful art!!!!

thats why the F one might bash TKD!

Summary TKD sport; HKD damn fine self defense!

[Azzazzin]

I'm sure anyone can beat a black belt from McDojo TKD, but what about a 3rd degree black belt in combat TKD, like someone I know?

Huh?

HUH?

[ryanhall]

Combat TKD? Isn't that a contradiction?

[kungfupanda]

Originally posted by ryanhall
Combat TKD? Isn't that a contradiction?

You are correct sir!

[kungfupanda]

Ramus: Hapkido is not Korean. A Korean man "made" it, sure. But it's techniques are mostly Japanese and Chinese in origin (mostly Daito-Ryu). Aside from that, you are right about what TKD is. Very good.

[goatnipples2002]

An art is an art. It depends on how the artist uses it. Any one person can take out another if their techniques are solid and their state of mind is better. Arts that derieved from war tend to be harder than others. The only one I know of to stand out among the rest is Muay Thai. As a sport it ain't shit, like any other sport art, but as a means of combat self defense it is the best. Alot of arts are obsolete because times have changed, it ain't 1414 any more. We have this thing called Physics and logics which wasn't around then. Alot of artist act like it's not around now. Save all the flowery shit for your garden and the fluff for your cakes.

[Tom Yum]

True that most Korean arts have both Chinese and Japanese influences. The Country was controlled by China for a long time and was most recently (19th & 20th Century) influenced by Japan. many of the throws, sweeps and takedowns are practically the same as judo/jj and you even follow up the takedown with a strike (heel stomp, knee drop or palm strike) and a submission (identical w/ traditional japanese jj). Ofcourse you learn breakfall. Higher ranked belts practice takedowns close to full speed with their partners resisting, pushing, shoving or pulling.

Korean hand techniques have different sets (you aren't taught this in modern TKD Mcdojo) that are taught in non-tkd korean arts it depends on what arts your instructor background. You will learn closed hand strikes (jab, cross, roundhouse-really a hook, backfist and spinning backfist) aimed at the nose,chin, jawline, ribs, solar plexus. The mechanics are same as boxing. Open hand strikes -palm, knife hand (chop), spear hand, ridgehand, double open handed strikes. and animal strikes (imitate praying mantis, crane, tiger etc.) which are aimed at nerves (arm pit, areas around the neck, groin etc). Makes you think about boxing differently. Imagine a guy throwing left jab - left armpit is briefly exposed, you can slip to either side while simultaneously striking the armpit nerve with two fingers. You can feel the strike radiate through your arm and into your chest.

When someone says they train in combat TKD, I would guess it means that they offer sport tkd, but are really teaching you another korean martial art - ship pal gi, hapkido, hwarangdo etc. While korean martial arts are good arts for self-defense( I have studied them), they don't train for mobility in fighting until you are higher ranked, wheras boxing trains you how to move from the very begining, keep your hands up, chin tucked, back leg on the balls of your feet, slide your feet, never cross your legs - these fundamentals should be the fundamentals of every stand up MA, with some exceptions.

[Azzazzin]

I'm sure TKD is no match against something as brutal as MT, but is it good in combination with arts such as MT?

I mean, you could keep switchng up your game, from fast and brutal like MT, to playing the distance game of TKD, giving yourself a rest, and confusing your oponent?

I really like MT, and I've trained TKD before, so how do you think they would be in combination?

[ryanhall]

In the ring, TKD will help your speed and your flexibility. Anything more...not really. As far as 'the street' goes, TKD will get you nowhere. You don't 'play the distance game' in real life. I honestly believe that most people who train exclusively TKD will likely lose in a real fight against someone of the same size with no training. Why? Most TKD uses unrealistic training methods and bears no resemblance to the dynamic and dangerous nature of a real violent attack.

[kungfupanda]

Ryan...you are exactly right.