Why bother fighting in the RING!!!!!???

[Ice]

Training for life...

While it is certainly true that the mentality of 'surviving' isn't necessarily the same as 'competing', they are not mutually exclusive - just ask any one of the countless poor children training in 'ring' Muay Thai in Thailand. Moreover...

As Sun Tzu says:

'Knowing the other and knowing oneself,
In one hundred battles no danger.
Not knowing the other and knowing oneself,
One victory for one loss.
Not knowing the other and not knowing oneself,
In every battle certain defeat'.


Who we are in life is reflected in everything we do; If our lives are focused on the 'street', then that is all we will see in everything we do and this is equally applicable for any mentality. The first step in any real Martial Arts training is to assess your current state of affairs and make any necessary changes to obtain a strategic advantage. We must address the enemy within - making every opportunity for victory - before we can truly assess the enemy without. For many this a predominately physical adjustment in the beginning, but it is actually a far deeper process. After all, if we have the wrong focus then we have defeated ourselves.

Train sincerely with an open mind, and train for life - wherever that may be.

~W2

[Tom Yum]

philosophical and nicely stated. Do you totally immerse yourself in what you are doing?

[goatnipples2002]

Damn Ice you hit the nail on the head. Nice statement. I do refer everything to the streets because that's where I've been. I go to school to broaden my horizons, but I find myself using examples of the streets to use in class. PEACE TO ALL UNTIL YOU GET DISRESPECTED, then follow theory of sudden & overwhelming violence.

[darrianation]

fighting in the street.

I think poeple are starting to get it! I think the main differences here is the street fighting mentality. Psychologically there is deference between the dojo/tournaments/ring and street fighting. The killer instinct the reckless abandon and ferocity people may fight with. Shear determination + adrenalin can beat good technique (sometimes anyway). Not to mention weapons.

If your training for street- then you do not need to enter karate tounements. However sparring is important for timing, ryrhym and to try out new techniques. Not to mention becoming better at techinques you've already learned.

[Hulk]

Whats the point of this thread???

Just because they are good on or train for the ring doesn't mean they will fight the same way as they fought on the ring when it comes down to street fighting and vice versa.

[retired]

it's an OLD laff between me & now a friend called goatnipples2002 which youv'e joined in after the fun......the dust settled ages ago but if you leave a humourous reply for him im sure he will awnser quicker than me rushing to the toilet after a night on the indian meals.

[goatnipples2002]

It's been awhile

I've been doing alot of school shit lately so posting has been to a minimum. holla back when I'm done with these damn papers

[retired]

Im sure i'll know when your back (thought you done the shouting) LOL
good luck!!

Anybody can still leave reply's on Ringfighting Or Streetfighting as it's very interesting to know what people think!!!

[CPK-Mantis]

Retired: Yes you british are helping out in Iraq and Afghanastan but to we "Rely on you" hell no. Its a great help but would we still get the job done if you werent there. Obviously we have experts in counterinsurgency and more of them because we spend much more on the military then you do.........

whats this politics sh{t, i mean seriously who cares whose country is better? bush is a loser and so is the queen so y r u 2 arguing?
the question here is about street fighting and ring fighting and i believe streetfighting skills can be practised in the ring and vice versa so both can be beneficial when used in combination.

[adacas]

dude handtohand you have no idea what your talking about. lol Hey when you have put up as much research on that crap as I have you would see a different picture of the Brits and French. If it wasn't for them we may just as well be speaking German anyways. It took the U.S., France, Britain, Russia, Australia, and the Philipines to take out Germany, Italy and Japan. Besides american intelligence in the middle east sucks. We don't do so much of our own intelligence in the middle east. we usually rely on Israel and Britain because they know the ropes not to mention Saudi Arabia although their stuff is shaky. Britain since its emperial days has had ties with the middle east. As for us having more counterinsurgency because we have more money is crap. We spend more money on missiles than anything else. 20 million dollars for a cruise missle. We should take lessons from that New Zealand guy who made a cruise missle from parts on EBAY. My friend just came back from Iraq a couple of months ago. He has lost his mind there. He is just not right anymore. Now they say they don't have enough fresh troops to send in so he is going back in and he just barely recovered. I also have a lady friend going to kuwait which is just a cover. They say kuwait but as soon as you get there they make you cross the border. We need all the men we can get including Britain. Nobody can do this shit on their own. Not any more. Its a lot more complicated nowadays than the point and shoot days of the past. You shouldn't bag on other countries especially those with a history so closely tied to ours because we always end up in a situation that binds us and requires cooperation on both fronts.

p.s.
ring fighting although limited really is a more conveniant and practical method of practicing for the streets. You don't go out and practice your skills by calling out a bunch of Hells Angels. You would want to be able to survive to say, practice again.

[Uber_Tap]

Thank goodness CPK-Mantis posted that thread, I mean we all know what a huge impact New Zealand has on world politics. With out their guidence I'm certain civilization as we know it would be over. Good or Bad at least America and the Brits are relevant on the world stage, you guys can't even get a ticket to the show.

No one should be hating on the Brits, they are probably the only true friend the US has. Blair played career roulette by backing the US in Iraq.

By the way, why are we talking politics?

[Tom Yum]

Adacas: Yes all those powers were involved with WWII but seeing that you are such an expert i see that you omitted Russia, which was germanys ally at the beginning, but after Hitler invaded Russia switched over to our side. Which power was the one that saved england? Yes the russians and french resistance occupied some of the german military might, but which country saved england, the US.
Hears a link to a navy website about some of their weapons systems, also military.com, and the airforce have good fact sheats. Obviously the price of the cruise missles varries depending on type.
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/.../ffiletop.html

H2H, let's not forget that the brutally cold Russian winter froze Hitler's advance into Russia and weakened them enough so that the Russians could defeat them.

No doubt though that the US military ROCKS....I digress.

[retired]

Ha Ha Ha , i thought this thread was LONG dead.......anyway politics THE easy way to get someones attention (guessed this would come back to haunt me after the trouble latelly) , we all won the war i know that , ring fighting opens up your mind to fighting in a different way that sparring does & does bring you closer to that feeling you get on the street, sparring can also be made as hard as you like if you got a partener who's willing to take some BIG hits in return to hit you back hard, you can make it what you like & leave just the thai rules & add grappling to go to floor work & locks.....as you said there aint no rules on the street but it's better to have something to bring there than nothing at all.

my 2p

[M@T]

Ring fighting is pretty useless to be honest, I have no intention of going into the ring when i'm good enough to do so. There are too many rules for it to be any kind of proof of the fighters REAL ability and kickboxing is even worse.

[retired]

Ring fighting is pretty useless to be honest, I have no intention of going into the ring when i'm good enough to do so. There are too many rules for it to be any kind of proof of the fighters REAL ability and kickboxing is even worse.

You aint seen thaiboxing in thailand then?

So what are you going to do then? be a bum & cause street fights (the ones that last a few seconds, look totally crap & you walk away learning nothing)