The kickboxer's trap.

[Kingston]

Originally posted by Ray White
Kick Boxing Trap...
But I do agree that it should also go toa point of a resisting non coreographed sparring.

Arthur Sennot is a Systema Teacher. The stuff he says reminds me alot of what goes on in a Systema class.

anyway getting to the point lol.

Systema training is based upon a series of sparring games, so it would be, only use arms, or only use legs, try this, try that.

pretty much the teacher shows us some stuff (all spontaneous)
and says "you try"

The reason for the slightly slower speed is basicaly we are learning just by doing. We are learning how to react properly, so basicaly if we went full speed we could only show what we have already learned, but we would not neccesarily be learning anything new.

if your confused why i used that quote im just making a point.saying that none of the sparing in Systema is coreographed.
(lol im not even sure if you were assuming he was talking about coreographed sparring in the article.....he wasn't.)

oh ya as far as the resisting part goes, though its about half speed does not mean that they are not resisting, they are resisting as much as they can. All it does is allow you to see whats going on in a movement better and allow you to improvise a proper responce. The only problem is when people are not being honest, are not making a "real" attack, or are going down even if they dont feel it.

[darrianation]

dkm

Originally posted by dkm
So darrianation, do you agree with the original article. I have to read it again carefully, but it makes some good points.....as in people worrying too much about winning and not focusing on their training.

I totally agree. Not necessarily from a kung fu point of view but from a general point of view. Often time’s martial artists will approach sparring like a competition.
Instead of what sparring is really for. Learning to work technique honing their skills. Practicing something new. Instead they want to beat their partner and they will use stuff that they are already good at. This may be good in a tournament (unless he counters your one good move) but not for learning. Also if you’re afraid of loosing or being hit/scored on you’ll be hesitant. Hesitance will make it hard for you to develop confidence. When sparring check your ego at the door. Don’t try to win try to learn and develop your skills and personal style.

How do you know what works and doesn’t work for you? How do you build an arsenal of techniques and combinations without practicing them over and over again against some one who has their own agenda? Sparring! You have to develop the confidence in your own techniques and abilities. If you are afraid of being hit or shown up by you partner then you wont move freely you’ll stick to what you know or hesitate. Lets say your good at a jab, right cross left round kick combination, so this is what you resort to every time. Then what happens when you get into the ring and your opponent is good at countering this? What will you do then?

So what if you do all this and your partner scores or hits you, remember he needs to work on his stuff too. Sparring should be beneficial for both of you. If your partner comes in and is pounding you, you’ll become defensive. You wont be able to find your strategy and use your arsenal. Have him slow down at least for a couple of rounds so you can work your offensive skills.

A big part of training is learning if you’re not learning then your not training. You’re just working out. It’s good if you can use one technique really well but you need to develop others as well. Not just against a bag but a real opponent.

[gabbah]

*bump*
Great thread about sparring intensity and learning.

[gregimotis]

This is a good thread, thanks for the bump.



It's also a great example of how to have a conversation about something controversial without flames and personal insults.

[gabbah]

Yeah, I could identify with a lot of things in that thread.
I often give the guys/gals I'm sparring with things to work with. For instance I step in with my guard tight and let them react to that, or I give them obvious openings that they should find fast.
I have seen that many beginners, especially younger ones, that see sparring as winning or loosing. They often go too hard, and the other guy goes back to instinct instead of using stuff he learned recently.
I think going hard sometimes is good, but not all of the time. The better you are, the harder you can go and still use good technique.

[gregimotis]

We'll start off sometimes praticing one combo or technique as a dead drill and slowly free it up until the partners are going fairly free and hopefully still trying to work in the technique.

[gabbah]

Yeah that's a good way of training I think, I like that as well. Going easy at first then harder and harder. That way both guys are always on the same level of intensity, less chance of someone getting hurt that way.