Top 15 Martial Artists

[sercuerdas]

the list states top 15 martial artist. a martail artist and a fighter are two different things.

bartjam,
of all the possible escrimadors how do you pick rene latosa? I DON"T EVEN THINK RENE WOULD PUT HIM SELF ABOVE THEM.e.g. cabales, ilustrimo, lema, bacon,any of the canete brothers,villabrille,dizon,mena,orinosanto. any of them would be a better choice and latosa isn't in any of there leagues.

[cboog]

I noticed some of the greatest fighters of all time are missing on that list like Mohammad Ali,George Foreman,Lewis, and Mike Tyson(used to be good) among a few other boxers.I think these boxers deserve more respect then guys on the list like Superfoot Wallace, Benny the Jet and Don Wilson.

I respected Mike Tyson as a fighter in the old days until he became a cheater by biting Foreman's ear, but other then that I have no respect for him because he is an asshole as everyone knows he treats people like shit.However fighters are what we're talking about so I would still have to include him in list if we're talking about past fighters.

That's just for boxing though.

Now lets not forget about MMA UFC pro fighters like Lance Gibson,Tank Abbott,Dan Savern,Ken Shamrock,Tito,The Ice Man etc. All these fighters deserve to be on list before all the others on the list .

Tyson bit Holyfield ear, Foreman got those great grillers, but I agree with you though

[m.artist]

boxing wouldn't work against ne ufc, nhb or mma guy. they may be the top 15 boxers, but fighters, or ma's, i don't think so. "Pankration
Shooto Fighting
Savate
MuayThai Kickboxing
Boxing
Submission Wrestling
Brazilian Jujitsu
Aikido
Judo
Arnis
Kali"
out of that, i would take out submission wrestling, arnis,kali,judo(definetly) and boxing. i don't know what savate or shooto fighting are, so i can't say nethign about those really.

[bvermillion]

I haven't ever studied shooto fighting. But from what I have read I don't see how any other style can compare. From what I have read shooto fighting is a fifty fifty combination of grappling and stand up. If I am not mistaken I believe it is what Bart Vale is involved in and Bart Vale is one bad man. He use to bounce and was a security consultant. This is what black belt magazine had to say about what shoot fighting consists of: "Many of the punches and kicks of shootfighting are similar to those found in kickboxing and karate, but the heaviest emphasis is on Thai-style strikes. Takedowns combine basic judo and wrestling throws. Most joint locks and submission holds are done with the full body weight thrown against the joint." That last sentence sounds alot like bjj. The article also goes on to say that shootfighting isn't real widely practiced in the US.

[MuayThaiFighter]

I haven't ever studied shooto fighting. But from what I have read I don't see how any other style can compare. From what I have read shooto fighting is a fifty fifty combination of grappling and stand up. If I am not mistaken I believe it is what Bart Vale is involved in and Bart Vale is one bad man. He use to bounce and was a security consultant. This is what black belt magazine had to say about what shoot fighting consists of: "Many of the punches and kicks of shootfighting are similar to those found in kickboxing and karate, but the heaviest emphasis is on Thai-style strikes. Takedowns combine basic judo and wrestling throws. Most joint locks and submission holds are done with the full body weight thrown against the joint." That last sentence sounds alot like bjj. The article also goes on to say that shootfighting isn't real widely practiced in the US.

Pankration and Shooto are basically same arts from two different countries.Both are arts that combine Muay Thai and Grappling (have submission wrestling-similar to jujitsu and have some takedowns of judo.) The main difference is that although Shooto does MuayThai it is the strikes from Muay Thai they mostly concentrate on and the takedowns that come from grappling just as you had mentioned,where as Pankration is fifty percent Muay Thai and fifty percent Grappling.One mistake you did make is saying that many of the punches and kicks are found in kickboxing and karate.As far as karate is concerned there are no punches in shooto that are also found in karate and the only kick of shooto that is also found in karate or kickboxing is the front kick.As far as kickboxing the punches are the same since they are those of boxing just as MuayThai is so you are right about that but the kicks of shooto are completely different from those of karate or kickboxing since the kicks of shooto are kicks found in Muay Thai.

Don't believe everything you read in Black Belt Magazine,they tend to like to enjoy putting down different martial arts styles instead of comparing and telling the truth about the effectiveness of each art and what each art involves.

[sherwinc]

correction.....

boxing wouldn't work against ne ufc, nhb or mma guy. they may be the top 15 boxers, but fighters, or ma's, i don't think so. "Pankration
Shooto Fighting
Savate
MuayThai Kickboxing
Boxing
Submission Wrestling
Brazilian Jujitsu
Aikido
Judo
Arnis
Kali"
out of that, i would take out submission wrestling, arnis,kali,judo(definetly) and boxing. i don't know what savate or shooto fighting are, so i can't say nethign about those really.

How about learning and combining these KungFu arts:
1. Tai Chi Chuan KungFu
2. WingChun KungFu
3. Arhats (Lohan) KungFu
4. Southern Eagle Claw KungFu
5. Chin Na KungFu
6. SpringLeg Style KungFu
7. Ngo Cho Kun KungFu
8. Seven Star Praying Mantis KungFu
9. Chang Chuan KungFu
10. Snake Style KungFu

Note: you must learn all solid kungfu's, yet you may not master it all but some of them fits to your body structure, a very beautiful blending of Northern / Southern / Internal / External / Soft / Hard / UltraShort / Short / Medium / LongDistance Fights / ShaolinBased / TaoistBased / NeiDan Chi / WaiDan Chi.

nobody can beat you..........

[m.artist]

i'd love to learn all of those arts, and learn the different styles of tai chi( i study yang style already, maybe chen or wu style)

[bvermillion]

Pankration and Shooto are basically same arts from two different countries.Both are arts that combine Muay Thai and Grappling (have submission wrestling-similar to jujitsu and have some takedowns of judo.) The main difference is that although Shooto does MuayThai it is the strikes from Muay Thai they mostly concentrate on and the takedowns that come from grappling just as you had mentioned,where as Pankration is fifty percent Muay Thai and fifty percent Grappling.One mistake you did make is saying that many of the punches and kicks are found in kickboxing and karate.As far as karate is concerned there are no punches in shooto that are also found in karate and the only kick of shooto that is also found in karate or kickboxing is the front kick.As far as kickboxing the punches are the same since they are those of boxing just as MuayThai is so you are right about that but the kicks of shooto are completely different from those of karate or kickboxing since the kicks of shooto are kicks found in Muay Thai.

Don't believe everything you read in Black Belt Magazine,they tend to like to enjoy putting down different martial arts styles instead of comparing and telling the truth about the effectiveness of each art and what each art involves.

I highly doubt that shooto doesn't have some moves frome karate. I would say not nearly as many as from muah thai.

[RuskiRonin]

You all mention Yip-Man but noone seems to know Te Cong who was originally a Mercenary in china and later when he lived in vietnam he was in the rebel movement against the Japanese in WWII. he was the one to being Wing Chun to vietnam and he's the real deal, Viet wingchun was also never commercialized like the Hong Kong was after Yip-Man's death.

Anyway i believe Tank or Sapp are both crap and dont deserve to be near the list but guys like Mirko Filipovic , Royce Gracie...
That's if were talking about today, talking about long gone martial artist's is hard since we cant judge them fully just by history.

[Caddock]

I know this guy.

Not sure about this particular list but I would put this guy up on my top ten of great people I have met any day.

4) "The Iceman" Jean-Yves Theriault: Considered to be the greatest full contact kickboxer ever. 69-6 (with 1 draw with Don Wilson) with 61 KO's. 23-time World kickboxing champion.

I did a seminar with him once and he took time to spar with everyone of the 50 or so people there and give personalized pointers to each of us. I have seen him in attendance at amateur cards I was involved with and in a few other settings and he is always very gracious and down to earth. Truly one of the nicest guys I have ever met. He has been retired from fighting for quite some time now so maybe not known by the younger folks.

He is an above the waist kickboxer and didn't like the idea of getting kicked in the legs as far as I can tell. However in my opinion it takes nothing away from the fact that he was a great fighter in his chosen sport. As a champion he was just the kind of person I could respect. Courteous, well spoken and respectful himself.

Cad

[Karate_is_cool]

Quote:
Originally Posted by MuayThaiFighter
Who cares what skywalker can do?

The top martial arts styles in my opinion.

Pankration
Shooto Fighting
Savate
MuayThai Kickboxing
Boxing
Submission Wrestling
Brazilian Jujitsu
Aikido
Judo
Arnis
Kali

I agree with this list although you forgot boxing.

lol dude that was YOUR list. and boxing IS on there. lol MTF you read too fast buddy

[MuayThaiFighter]

Quote:
Originally Posted by MuayThaiFighter
Who cares what skywalker can do?

The top martial arts styles in my opinion.

Pankration
Shooto Fighting
Savate
MuayThai Kickboxing
Boxing
Submission Wrestling
Brazilian Jujitsu
Aikido
Judo
Arnis
Kali




lol dude that was YOUR list. and boxing IS on there. lol MTF you read too fast buddy

oops,ya I guess it is sorry.I read it too fast as you said.

Well I agree with this list as the best fighters.Although boxers are excellent fighters they wouldn't last in Ufc without some ground fighting experience and without knowing how to kick.

I personally think fighters like Mike Tyson and Lewis wouldn't last in UFC unless they have some ground fighting experience that I've never heard of them having although both are tough fighters especially Lewis. Even Hollyfield in his prime wouldn't last in UFC.

[sherwinc]

oops,ya I guess it is sorry.I read it too fast as you said.

Well I agree with this list as the best fighters.Although boxers are excellent fighters they wouldn't last in Ufc without some ground fighting experience and without knowing how to kick.

I personally think fighters like Mike Tyson and Lewis wouldn't last in UFC unless they have some ground fighting experience that I've never heard of them having although both are tough fighters especially Lewis. Even Hollyfield in his prime wouldn't last in UFC.

you are an extremely bullshit..... why?????

cause UFC is not true, UFC is a fake like those of WWF

CONVINCED and UNDERSTAND??????????

[sherwinc]

Quote:
Originally Posted by MuayThaiFighter
Who cares what skywalker can do?

The top martial arts styles in my opinion.

Pankration
Shooto Fighting
Savate
MuayThai Kickboxing
Boxing
Submission Wrestling
Brazilian Jujitsu
Aikido
Judo
Arnis
Kali




lol dude that was YOUR list. and boxing IS on there. lol MTF you read too fast buddy

All the Top Martial Arts Styles that you mention is all crap and useless but it is applicable in UFC why??????

cause UFC is a Fake and only crap martial arts that you mention is applicable in UFC as what i said its a fake......

that is the reason why KungFu doesnt join in UFC,

only crap top martial arts styles that you mention join in UFC cause they are all crap.

[Tameo]

In our wc class we train Kali stick techniques