Traditional Asian Martial Arts and Ballet.

[chris davis 200]

"JuJutsu"?

um??? yes??? What i am assuming is that you are refering to the spelling.

I think you will find that this is the current correct translation of the Japanese Characters.

Ju Jitsu actually can mean - gentle truth but is not really correct.

Jitsu Wa - tell the truth.

Jutsu = the martial art of

Many schools that were founded in the west early in the 1900's still use the Jitsu / other variations. because at th time this was the correct romanization. But now Jutsu is correct and the others are incorrect. All Japanese Schools use Ju Jutsu.

if you have studied MT you would know that the whole point of clinching is to throw elbows and knees.....

thats right - so what i wrote about throwing is correct is it not?

good post BeCubic06

cheers
Chris

[MuayThaiFighter]

Originally posted by IPON
MTF - I think you are referring to theatre opra like the peking opera in china, but oyu can't callapse the styles of China, korea, japan an okinawa. Into one group while there there is a heavy influence from China these style are different......and I am sorry to say Yes very effective MT is not the only art on the plant. Can a MT fighter beat an legitimate shoalin, wing chun, HunGar, Praying Mantis or eagale claw fighter you cannot honestly say yes or no. These are internal arts there is a reason fro the flow that you call ballet. Most Japanese styles are very hard and are not ballet like at all (and certainly would not be entertaining).

People do take MA for various reasons and not everyone that takes MT goes in to a ring or desires to. Alot go for the health benefit. It sounds like somone really ticked you off, but you should attack the rest of the martial arts on teh planet because of it. MT is a good art, but it has holes in and out of competition just like any other art.

"Anyway we can always agree to disagree

Can a MT fighter beat an legitimate shoalin, wing chun, HunGar, Praying Mantis or eagale claw fighter you cannot honestly say yes or no."

Actually I would have to say yes,a MT fighter would beat a shoalin,wing chun,hungar, praying mantis or eagle claw fighter, and with not any difficulty, if you were to put them in a match.

You are however correct that the arts you mentioned are for internal use.

Actually no one ticked me off. I am just going by my own experience, I am not saying anyone has to agree with me.

[Kai]

Odd

I can't say I'm extremely experienced, I've only been doing MT for a little over a year now, and I like it, it's tough, very challenging. I do however have quite a bit of experience in TKD, and you have to understand that there are two generalized sections of TKD, sport and combat. There aren't very many who still teach combat TKD, which by the way is a lot closer to Hapkido, using locks, eye gouging, elbows, ect. Combat TKD still uses Kata, and despite the defiante voice out there against Katas, if they've been used for thousands of years by millions of people, they can't be completely useless. I also agree, if holding stances were bad for your knees, you were most likely doing them wrong. Also, since when is extra strength gained by katas a bad thing? All I know is that when I started honestly practicing the front stance, my back kick became explosive!

I think the best way to explain it is through a conversation Bruce Lee had with Chuck Norris who was famous at the time for his high kicks. On the set Bruce mentioned how he didn't teach high kicks because it makes you vunerable and holds off your balance for too long. Chuck countered by saying he agreed, but at times, it's nice to be able to kick high. Guess what, Bruce adopted some high kicks.

And as others have been saying, EVERY martial art has holes, not a single one is complete. This is the age of cross-training, I still have yet to meet a traditionalist. MA are based off of natural movements, and through time techniques have been tested and refined.

The problem I have with TMAs are that what worked then won't necessarily work now. People are a lot bigger, we have more information on nutrition, and with the web and these forums, training techniques are widely known. We aren't limited to land barriers anymore. This is when you take the practical application from what you've studied and make your own style, because what works for me might not work for you. Uh-oh, debate time, but I just stated above that if it's been around for so long it can't all be bad. Well, it can't really, we all kick, we all punch, and the basic movements for all of them are fundamentally the same. Yes, even the powerhouse Muay Thai kicks start the same as the snap kicks, you've still got to bring your knee up and pivot. I'm mostly saying I don't like studying anything that is set against adaptation, if it can't flow and move with the changing stream, then it will become outdated just as everything else.

With that said, yes, I do agree a bit with what you originally stated, fancy 'screen' techniques will have a hard time standing up in a real fight, but not even MT can truely prepare you for a real fight. The UFC, Pride, and the other thousands of titles you can accumulate will never be a real fight, not when there are rules. "The best way to prepare for an event is the event itself." -Bruce Lee, and no, I don't have a fixation with the man, I just believe he's the father of cross-training, and he knew what a real fight was.

MTF as for being pissed off by a post, your response did sound hostile, and it seemed as if you attacked Davis' knowledge of martial arts. The best way to counter a comment is by using information, instead of trying to discount his experience.

Anyway, some things to think about.

Kai

[huey]

i have to agree with becubic the term that is the focus of this discussion is martial arts and the definition of those words. the simple bottom line is this:
if you are studying a "martial art" then you want to become a "martial artist". if their is no "art" portion of your training how can it be a "martial art"?
how can you become a "martial artist" as it is defined?
how about yin and yang? hard and soft, dark and light,
(the opposites are endless so i'll stop now)

i will say that portions of jujitsu and judo matches can be artistic forms in themselves (only my opinion and only portions) but some styles lack the finesse of an art form without katas.

chinese katas of old, were used in conditioning the muscles as well as the reactions, timing, focus, speed, body position in relation to the strike, and a whole lot of other things. this being done many times would build the "martial" and the "art" at the same time making "martial artists".