muay thai vs kungfu

[huey]

depends on the fighters and the training they have recieved and how they bring that training out.
jet li has been a tai chi practioner since 8 and that is a violent art regardless of what it may look like outside a fight or in a park being done by old people that only want one aspect of the art.
how he would do against a muay tai fighter i don't know.

[wael k]

although ur right but i do have my doubts about taichi that it is a violent art , i saw them training not very full filling or convincing in their training.

[chris davis 200]

Wehey ! Another - Vs thread havnt seen one of those for a while!

the likes of Jet li do not represent tai chi or Kung fu - they represent Wu Shu - a gymnastic sport based on Kung Fu.

As for how Kung fu would do against Mt - well it is really down to the practitioner.

There are documented cases of Kung fu masters whiping the floor with MT fighters and vis versa.

lets just say, as always, that the argument for one style beating another do not hold water - the practitioner vrs practitioner argument does!

Cheers
Chris

[wael k]

thx chris for this inriching info. that was what i wanted to know and i think what u said abouut"practioner vs practioner" is perfectly right.
anyway thx for ur info good friend.

[Great Sage]

Puahahaha... REALLY, wael k... If you wanted to promote kung-fu, this is hardly the place to do it. As anyone who remotely understands fighting nows, kung-fu would get mopped by Muay Thai...

Kung-fu hasn't beaten Muay Thai. Sanshou has beaten Muay Thai in Sanshou rules. The Chinese used send kung-fu fighters to Thailand in the 70's and they would get pulvarized... So they developed Sanshou, which is similar to Muay Thai and American kickboxing.

Jet Li... Puahahaha.. The guy has admitted on numerous occassions that he cannot fight. I believe it.

[jules]

Isn't Shan Sou really Russian?

[wael k]

good friend great sage ur right about jet li and am not trying to promote kungfu i trained kungfu for 7 years during my training period i traveled and stayed in china for 6 month 5 times in the past 7 years ,then now i changed to muaythai so i agree with u about muaythai being a very perfect fight style but if u realized that during my first subject i said fighting with out gloves cause kungfu fighters cannot give their whole potential while not being able to use their hands palms and other things that u cann't do while ur wearing ur gloves,and again good friend theirs no better style as our friend "chris davis 200" said it depends on the fighter and his skills indeed very wise words from our friends and anyone who say the same thing....


again thanks chris davis 200 for ur info.

[hybrid_fighter]

i figure i'd have my say in this, so here goes.

first of all, like someone said, there are so many different styles of kung fu--some are a bunch of useless crap, (if you're talking about street fighting, or ring); others are real good. my knowledge about traditional chinese martial arts aint that good, but i know most of them are self defense related--utilizing techniques not possible with boxing gloves on, ie eye gouging etc. stuff like wushu aint much in the real world, however, they're amazing athletes.

as for tai chi, aka taiji, its more known for its health benefits than its martial applications. however, with a legit teacher, you should be able to reach the level where you can apply it in ten years or so. taiji quan is limitless though, n shouldnt be underestimated.

then we got the modernized kung fu style, san shou, aka sanda. hm simply a great, well rounded style. much like muay thai, which i have great respect for (i'm a san shou practioner myself), although what muay thai is missing out on is the take downs and kick catches. san shou does not include elbows though. are elbows legal at tournaments outside thailand or no? at some san shou tournaments, knees are allowed, though only to the stomach. i think in the profession circut in china they take them to the head also. that least thats what i've seen. that may have been an illegal strike, but it was a well placed one. hehe.

shaolin kung fu.... i dunno why ppl relate it to movie kung fu. a shaolin monk has a huge arsenal of techniqes and abillities. they do train some 8 hours a day, 7 days a week though. all those forms you might associte with it, is nothing but practice for attributes used in fighting, such as speed, strengh, agility, etc. keep in mind that besides shaolin kung fu, they do practice san shou and taiji at shaolin. and also qi gong, which gives them their iron bodies.

just my 5 cents...

[Silent Giant]

This question isn't all that great because even when you're just asking an opinion, there are too many factors to consider. How long has each person trained? How proficient are they? How well are they able to adapt? This is supposedly a street fight, so who says that one person is going to fight in a traditional style the whole way through. there are no points to be scored or judges to keep it clean, so whats to stop someone from pulling out every dirty technique that they may or may not know. Questions like this are very open ended.

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nevermind, see the post before my first one

[wael k]

thanks guyz for this huge amount of info it's really good all these questions and answers really helped me to extend my horizon about these 2 lethal sports ,,anyway thanks all

[huey]

check this out

http://www.jointogether.org/gv/news/summaries/reader/0,2061,565962,00.html

even if you don't think tai chi is a violent art it is still a martial art.
the judge is sentencing violent offenders to take tai chi.
you have to see the lunacy in this one.

[wael k]

i don't that the bad guyz will be happy with their taichi class,and anyway most of the people who do tai chi do it to show off .

and anyway i don't consider taichi to be a a fighting form

[chris davis 200]

Tai chi is a fighting art - it always has been - but there was found to be another side to the utilization of the body the way that tai chi uses it.

Yang cheng fu - although a celebrated fighting master in his own right - decided to modify the forms to make the health benefits accessable to all.

These simplified forms are not Tai chi in my opinion - but are something more similar to Yoga.

the form work in real tai chi is the Most basic section of the style. In it you learn posture, rooting and build your tendon elastisity.

From here you move to pushing hands and the diferent variations of this. This is used to develop 'listening skill' or the ability to follow every movement of your opponent no matter how small. This skill is vital to the fighting style of Tai chi.

When doing this push hands practice the exponents also play witjh the alignment of there bodies and the various striking & grappling methods that will generate power in fighting.

After this has been achieve the pupil will often return to the form to do 'corrections' this is used to further enhance the rooting etc .

Finally full contact sparring is done - without protection - this includes throwing locking and striking.

Through out the process basic applications are shown. Chin na and point striking are also built in.

So as you can see the Art of Tai chi chuan is fairly comprehensive and very much a figting art.

But as has been stated before - the problem is not the art but finding someone that can teach you it in its real form.

Hope this helps
Chris.