muay thai vs kungfu

[Nick]

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Well, a reverse punch in karate doesn't cover the head, whereas a boxing punch does, lowering the chance of your head getting hit. Styles really can be compared. Not to say that a crappy fighter with a good style will beat someone with the inferior style who's faster, stronger, overal better conditioned.

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[Karate_is_cool]

mookjong that was fuckin hilarious. really though, i think the one thing kung fu for sure doesnt have (because we can go on all day about this technique or that technique being so awesome and practical) is the actual practise. i dont think you go to each class and poke eachother in the eyes or throat with the intention of doing some kind of, or even minimal, damage. cuz really, that's the only way to guarantee that your stuff works. at least in contact martial arts we practise the techniques we learn with CONTACT. so we (a) know what it's like to hit someone and (b) know what it's like to be hit. I dunno if people practising any kind of kung fu do that sort of thing. please correct me if im wrong. and the ring fighter should be ESPECIALLY feared, because of their experience and hard training. they also experience the adrenaline rush and nervousness of a fight. this sort of "mind conditioning" is important in AND out of the ring. so if one of you kung fu guys got into a fight how would you react? would the nervousness come over you? would u be able to think clearly? would you be confident? would you be able to fight? well..... i hope so. im not trying to degrade kung fu, but look at muay thai more closely and dont take any credit away from ring fighters..... cuz they mess people up. oh and by the way.... anyone can eye gouge or strike to the groin. my little sister can do it. i dont need to take her to a wing chun school to learn that.

oh and whoever keeps putting up the friggin MA vs Ma threads are stupid. what were you expecting? a nice easy going debate with conctructive criticism?? lol keep dreaming. especially with MTF. lol that guy will never give up! good thing i agree with 98% of what he says. oh and MTF thanks for the muay thai school locations. i thanked you on another thread but i noticed you were here recently so you might see this. im going to posener's pankration. one of the best things i've ever started. thanks for the info bro.

anyways i hope u kung fu guys take some of these comments seriously (some less than others ). im not trying to trash you guys. i have a base in shotokan karate and still respectfully defend my old art. i think kung fu is cool too.

[Meyo]

Muai thai vs. Kung- fu..

Muay thai is quite the effective style.. I have sparred with a thai in a parking lot before. There kicks are quite powerful, and fast. I stand my ground when saying Muai thai is better because kung-fu is such an old traditional style martial arts. Kung-fu focuses on more hand motion. And the legs are stronger than the hands, but I have a friend who has studies kung-fu for a while. And I will stand for him as well, he has done quite well with his style.

I think either style could be really effective, it just matters who's behind the body thats throwing the skill..

I've only studied Jkd for 4 years, and a little shaolin kung-fu, but I didnt really like shaolin-kung-fu as much.

And that spar I got into with that Muay thai fighters was quit the challenge. I walked away victorious, but the two kicks that he slipped past my ribs, left me bruised. And I have noticed that the thai fighter was quite angry when he was put down. But like I said, Muay thai is a very effective style.

[chalambok]

Damn, sorry I got here so late

There are martial arts historians who can make a perfectly valid point that muay Thai is the original form of Kung Fu, the Thais being from Southern China and forced into SouthEast Asia by the Mongols or perhaps an earlier invasion from the northern and/or western peoples. Also, I was informed by a friend who has travelled extensively in China that whenever he asked about kung fu, people said it is a term which refers to work, and would point him towards the closest rice paddy Unstirred soup has a spoiled taste.

[Studiobuddy]

There are martial arts historians who can make a perfectly valid point that muay Thai is the original form of Kung Fu, the Thais being from Southern China and forced into SouthEast Asia by the Mongols or perhaps an earlier invasion from the northern and/or western peoples. Also, I was informed by a friend who has travelled extensively in China that whenever he asked about kung fu, people said it is a term which refers to work, and would point him towards the closest rice paddy Unstirred soup has a spoiled taste.

Even though thai's have their own language and writing system. That doesn't make sense, also mongol's didnot invade at the time thai's were pushed into southeast asia.

[Tom Yum]

There are martial arts historians who can make a perfectly valid point that muay Thai is the original form of Kung Fu, the Thais being from Southern China and forced into SouthEast Asia by the Mongols or perhaps an earlier invasion from the northern and/or western peoples. Also, I was informed by a friend who has travelled extensively in China that whenever he asked about kung fu, people said it is a term which refers to work, and would point him towards the closest rice paddy Unstirred soup has a spoiled taste.

Yep, gong fu means work. Wushu is the generic term for martial arts. Perhaps the Thais are souther Chinese, but Thailand was also a trade post for Indians and Chinese. There is likely an Indian influence in their culture too.

[Studiobuddy]

I watching an old jeet li movie today called lord of the wutang or something like that. Anyways they get to some part where the stuff is written in Persian language. Did Chinease come from Persia?

[Tom Yum]

No.

The old Manchurian language looks completely different than modern Chinese. It looks arabic and could have had arabic influence- they were really close ot the Mongols. However, the stuff from the Tang dynasty is what you see today (kind of).

[Studiobuddy]

No.

The old Manchurian language looks completely different than modern Chinese. It looks arabic and could have had arabic influence- they were really close ot the Mongols. However, the stuff from the Tang dynasty is what you see today (kind of).

in the movie they said the language persian

[Tom Yum]

No anthropological connection between Hans (Chinese) and Persians (Iranian). However, they have been trading goods for thousands of years. The Chinese traded silks and spices for horses and gold from Iran, a long time ago.

There was a famous trade route that linked modern day Tehran, Iran to China's Shandong province in the north east. It was called the Silk Road

[chlorox]

I used to learn Wing Chun before switching to Muay Thai (after experimenting during sparring). How can a reasonable person expect Wing Chun to be more effective when there isn't a single example of WC being used successfully against other martial arts. There is a difference between sport and real-life; but if I am going to try to learn to swim, I am going to look at sport swimmers to determine the best technique to do it....and more importantly, I am going to jump into a pool to try and learn how to swim. Moving my hands around, practicing swimming strokes on land is not going to help one bit.

[MuayThaiFighter]

I'm not going to jump in the argument about street defence but Mookjong5 you have some strange ideas concerning Muay Thai. You stated that if you miss your kick in the ring the ref moves in and saves the day, this is not true. If you miss your kick you better recover immediately or your opponent is going to counter and take you out. You stated that if in the ring your opponent will grab your round kick and then the ref again moves in to save you, this is also completely untrue. When your opponent grabs your round kick he will kick your legs out from under you or punch you in the face. The 2 examples used are both completely legal by Muay Thai r}—O?ÍñD‹he ref does not rush in to stop the fight in either situation.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

As someone in Muay Thai I would have to agree with you.I've never seen anyone stopped by a referee when grabbing someones round house kick.

Mookjong needs to learn more about Muay Thai before making ignorant statements like that.

[MuayThaiFighter]

Wing Chun Kung Fu is the bomb. I think this is the best fighting system on the planet. Sure, Muay Thai is a great ring sport but outside the ring, it's whole new ball game. The shin kick works great in the ring because if you miss the referee stops you. If you miss on the street, oh no. A good side kick at the knees provides a good defense against it keeping the Thai Fighter off balance. Wing Chun is a street oriented martial art while Thai Boxing is a sport. Don't get me wrong here, it's the practicioner that determines their fate. But Bruce Lee used Wing Chun basics to form his defense. When you are young, Thai Boxing is very attractive. What happens when you start to age, I think you sort of change your way of thinking and realize that brute force won't always win.


IF WAR IS HELL, TAKE A BETTER PITCHFORK THAN THE DEVIL

That's funny because I've been in Muay Thai for about 6 yrs. and have had many fights never once have I seen anyone including myself been stopped by referree for missing a shin kick.In Muay Thai a fight goes on until one person is unable to fight any more,gives up or is knocked out cold.I'd like to see how fast you could snap out a side kick to our knees before we drive full force with our shin kicks.

Wing Chung a street oriented martial arts!!!!!! HA HA HA,now that's funny,it would never work on the street even by a master,your sticky hands shit would do nothing for you on street.

The only reason wing chun is popular is because it's the art Bruce Lee originally took,that doesn't mean it is affective,beside Bruce was an actor not a martial arts fighter.He became popular due to his movies and because he change what martial arts is today due to his philosophies and theories not because he was a good martial artist himself.

I doubt age has anything to do with Thai boxing being attractive,I joined MuayThai at the age of 28,I'm 35 now and I still do Muay Thai.I haven't fought for awhile but I'm going to start fighting again,another example of you not knowing what you're talking about.

Muay Thai fighters never say brute force wins,what makes us win is knowing what the hell we're doing,techniques,speed and learning what is realistic.

Want to know how effective Muay Thai is I suggest you fight against a practitioner of Muay Thai using your Wing Chun and you'll see how fast your ass will be on the ground.

[MuayThaiFighter]

Hello Everyone,

I see some people were upset with what I said and I didn't downgrade anybody or anything. Let's get real here. I have studied Muay Thai for 3 yrs. Wing Chun kung fu is based on using force against yourself. It gives you the impression as being a powder puff art but only you get the pak sao applied to you, you might think differently. Wing Chun is an art where you let your opponent beat himself. We aren't fools and trying to go blow for blow against a bigger or stronger advesary is foolish. Thai Boxing is a chest game where only the strong survive. Let me pull a knife and see if the situation changes. Still want to throw your round kick? Don't throw it at my waist, I will more that likely catch it. Many round kicks get caught by their opponents in the ring but the referee saves the day. Sorry but true!! I don't pick fights to test my skills. Sticky hands and sticky legs are there for a purpose. You can say it's a ladies martail art but that's your choice. Thai Boxers are strong and in very good shape but that doesn't ensure victory on the street. The elbows and knees are great close quarter weapons. Even Karate uses them. Decide for yourself what martial art is best for you. Thanks for reading my forum!!


IF WAR IS HELL, TAKE A BETTER PITCHFORK THAN THE DEVIL

Many round kicks get caught by their opponents in the ring but the referee saves the day.

For someone who claims to have done Muay Thai for 3yrs. you have no fucking idea what you are talking about since the referee doesn't stop a fight when one of the fighters gets one of his kicks caught,I know this because I've had many Muay Thai fights,besides why would we try grabbing an opponents legs when we can sweep his standing leg out? after all most of our kicks are low kicks anyways.I rarely miss my kicks.

I don't know what dojo you went to but it sure sounds like one of those mcdojos.

Sorry but true!!

Sorry but that's B.S

Sticky hands and sticky legs are there for a purpose. You can say it's a ladies martail art but that's your choice. Thai Boxers are strong and in very good shape but that doesn't ensure victory on the street.

Muay Thai shin kicks are there for a purpose too and so is grabbing the leg? It is basically a women's art.Well Wing Chung definitely doesn't ensure victory on street but it does in ensure that you'll get your ass kicked especially by street fighters,boxers and muay thai fighters,grapplers,judo practitioners, aikido students and those of mma.

Wing chung is more like a dance and form of meditation then an art for self-defense.

[sherwinc]

Wing chung is more like a dance and form of meditation then an art for self-defense.

Correction......

AiKiDo is more like a dance and form of meditation then an art for self-defense.

maybe they are wearing black gown...... ;-)

joke only.....