muay thai vs kungfu

[Garland]

You go ahead and practice those high kicks. They seemed to work just great for Bruce Lee and Jean Claude Van Duh...

Listen here, sonny, how many muay thai fights have you seen?
How many high kicks were thrown?
Our maxim is kill the body and the head will follow...Or tire the body and remove the fucking head with a left hook, an elbow, a knee, or use a high neck kick as a finale, coup de gras.

And in a street fight, your opponent doesn't need to be standing to land a neck kick on them. It works wonders when they're on knees or trying to stand back up.

[BaguaBoxer]

reality

I would like to point out that Mick Foley a wrestler in WWE and japanese deathmatches has fought in rings with barbwire and mini land mines he has been dropped 2 stories from a steel cage beaten severley and gotten back up he has had his body destroyed over and over showing an invunerablity to pain and hurt. So I imagine there are people out there pain just doesn't effect. But if you hit them in the coratid artery this will shut down there heart via there brain signals (proven fact ask any real doctor or look it up) scine science is unarguable here apparently that nerve strike works. no matter how much pain a person can stand they can't stop electrical signals to there body.

[kung-fwho?]

Listen here, sonny, how many muay thai fights have you seen?
How many high kicks were thrown?
Our maxim is kill the body and the head will follow...Or tire the body and remove the fucking head with a left hook, an elbow, a knee, or use a high neck kick as a finale, coup de gras.

And in a street fight, your opponent doesn't need to be standing to land a neck kick on them. It works wonders when they're on knees or trying to stand back up.

Well I'm sure the mormons put up a big street fight for you out there in Salt Lake City, huh? Oh wait, they don't fight. So who do you train with?

your opponent doesn't need to be standing to land a neck kick on them. It works wonders when they're on knees or trying to stand back up

....and why would you ever kick someone trying to give you head? That's just wrong!

[Ironpalm]

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[Jeremy Lobdell]

Thai pp attacks.

Just to add to the fire, when I throw my Thai style roundhouse kick to the outer thigh, my target is GB 31, on the outer thigh half way up. This is the target for most Thai guys. You get that cool reaction of the knee spinning in and dropping down, leaving the head wide open. This is what thai guys look for, wheather they realize they're affecting a pp or not, the result is unquestionable.

[Tom Yum]

SEEN...yep that sums up most of what I have found here. "I saw it on TV, I heard it on the internet. PLEEEZZE!. Gee I dunnio how many" fights" Ive seen on tv. I dont watch it often, Im to busy training. I bounced in biker bars for years..didnt see any impressive kicks. In fact I have never seen a fight ended by a kick to a standing opponent (other than on tv or in a school). nor have I seen one won with groung fighting. I have seen many people f**ked slam up for trying both of them. Usually by a good combination of punches, slaps and knees. I find kicking and wrestling questionable skills in the parking lot between to parked cars, on the floor of the bar etc. HOWEVER I LOVE WATCHING THEM ON TV!

Low kicks are really usefull, because most dudes drop their hands when they see it coming + they don't know how to effectively block them. Sometimes all it takes is one or two good ones to make it painfull to stand; I know this from being both at the giving and receving end.

New guys usually catch the bait to drop their hands to try and grab the low kick. Some of these new guys are new to muay thai, but not the street.

You said you saw people getting slammed using kicks, that's how wrestling would come into play. A good instinctive street fighter will grab at legs if they aren't fast; imagine what a skilled wrestler could do. Boxing is a good skill too. Boxing and wrestling would go well together; wrestling can give you a break from taking too much heat.

If your talking bout fancy high kicks, well that's up for grabs (no pun intended).

[Ironpalm]

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[Tom Yum]

I've used low kicks enough in sparring to know how they work, but I've been schooled by my own classmates in the same manner.

[Ironpalm]

Have you ever tried kicking to the points on the leg?

[Tom Yum]

Have you ever tried kicking to the points on the leg?

Yeah, that takes a great deal of speed and precision kicking. I've heard that other styles like savate and other kung-fu styles emphasize this.

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Legs

You have roughly the size of a quarter to contact a specific pp. The angle and direction of attack doesn't seem to be as specific as arm or head-body shots. There is also a qumilitive effect. You may not get a hugh reaction on the first shot, but tag it a few more times and it will take it's toll. Last year I went to Ohio to guest instruct at a friends school ( Sensi Ben Bisso-Impact Martial arts-Newark OH) One of his students was competing in the local cage fight. Ben was out of town and I got to play coach and medic for the fights. The guy his student was fighting was from Hammer House (Mark Coleman) and had the worst front kick I've ever seen. I had him sidestep it and when all his weight landed on the front foot, throw a round kick and a hook from the same side behind it. That ended the fight ( at about 35 sec.). The guy had to be carried out and his entire leg locked up like his ankle was broken. He couldn't put his heel on the ground. I helped him out of the ring and explained to him what happened and how to alleviate it. When I turned around, Wes Simms (fought Mir twice-and lost) was standing behind me. I think i came up to his waist.LOL. He looked pissed off and I thought I was in for a beating. He just shook my hand and said "Thanks for taking care of my fighter". There's my 2 seconds of fame!

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[Garland]

Why try for "points" on a leg. The muscles are large targets and they tend to fatigue pretty quickly. Kick to the inside of the thigh, you have the sciatic nerve, a pretty big target, and if you hit it, they can't stand. If not, try for the back of the knee, or the top of their soleus, both of which can create an awesome little fulcrum, and with a Thai kick that is like being hit with a baseball bat...well, use your imagination. It is not impossible to break someones leg with a thai kick, especially if they don't know how to react, i.e. turn their leg the wrong way and flex it.

I don't just "watch" thai fights. I've trained with some of the best, and I've had a few fights, and had the unfortunate opportunity to have to use tools like this for real in some pretty shitty circumstances.

I agree that most brawls probably don't see a lot of kicks, high kicks are not very practical under most situations, and not many people can pull off a decent leg kick. It won't end a fight, but it will create openings for bigger and nastier tools to be employed.

Wrestling and grappling in a street fight is also unwise because you don't have the safety of a mat, weapons could be pulled, and, perhaps most importantly, toying around with someone on the ground leaves your head right open to be soccer kicked by their pals.

For a street fight, thai boxing is an excellent refrence, because it teaches how to punch like a boxer, and how to kick like Mark McGuire swings a bat, as well as adding some of the nastiest knees and elbows ever developed by any fighting system.
Add some common sense self defense tools, like head butts, eye gouges, ear tricks, and fishhooking (which work great while getting into the prummb) and some standing breaks from an art like silat and kali, and you have your defense against an unarmed attacker...(provided their not an MMA or grappling specialist, or have a weapon, in which case FMA's (dumog for ground and Inosanto blend, Sayoc, and Tirsia for weapons, and silat have more tools you can add).

[Wayfinder]

To answer the first post. You can't say muay thai is better than kung fu or visa versa. Because its all about the skill of the practitioner, not the style.

Low kicks are great. I find it most effective, when kicking to the thigh, to kick right above the knee joint. There must be a large nerve and/or vein running along that area. I've made quite a few "tough guys" have to sit down by kicking them in the thigh with my shin.

[Garland]

Okay...I'll have to agree to disagree with that one. No tai chi practitioner could ever use tai chi to beat a muay thai kickboxer.
Maybe if the tai chi guy was a monsterous motherfucker who resorted to plain brawling or just sat on the muay thai guy crushing him, maybe...but there is huge a difference in the effeciency, practicality, and economy of motion in the arts, it may be true that some arts are better suited to different conditions, but as far as tai chi is concerned, it serves less combative purpose than yoga or windsor pilates.

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