muay thai vs kungfu

[WingChunstudent]

Wing chun rocks for street defence

Hahahahahah – Anucha, you’re a joke mate. Seven years of training and you haven’t learnt a basic respect for other martial arts systems and what they train for/try and achieve. It sounds like you’ve done too much sparring and done yourself some brain damage.

Don’t get me wrong I know muay thai is a good system that produces tough, fit conditioned fighters. But Wing chun is also a wicked system for the street – that’s why so many bouncers train it. It works in a range most fights happen in. It’s not about ducking in and out and sparring and getting absolutely f*cking slaughtered when you come up against a bigger, more conditioned fighter – it’s about finishing the job as quickly as possible, using natural advantage of being in or getting in close, no deadly techniques BS that you suggest just simple, brutal attacks (chops to the throat, elbows, explosive palms and punches). If it’s trained properly and realistically it’s just as effective as any martial art – including muay thai for street defence. Muay thai people that say differently having got a f*cking clue what they are on about.

[Abe]

these kind of posts are becoming more and more pointless IMO, cuz it turns out to be a arguement of the more "favourite" styles instead of more "effective" styles. without any unbiased comments.

u know whats the most deadly style on the street? a gun > a knife > barehands. if barefists, 90% is depends on the fighter, rather than the style. cuz a drunk pub brawler with the grab-collar-smack move has a fairly good chance of winning a fight agaisnt a experience martial artist. a lot also depend on the location, size of your opponent, number of people involved and posture of the participants.

the only thing a martial artist has advantage over others is confidence and reflexes. which can also be had from a lot of street fights and sports. just think of your chance agaisnt a pissed off rugby player or someone straight out of the turkish army.

so, guys lease stop "zhi shang tan bing" - which is a phrase in chinese meaning "predicting the outcome of a war purely on paper", and get back down to earth.

If you truely beileve that doing martial arts will help you in a street fight, ur free to do so. but keep in mind that on the street, there isn't gonna be a cornerman to throw in the towel or a referee. walking around with "i do muay thai", or "i'll kung fu ur ass" on your face won't help you at all.

[Jab902]

THE NUMBER 1 REASON ANY KUNG FU IN AMERICA WILL NEVER BEAT MUAY THAI, BOXING, MMA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ISSS.........drumroll please.....CONDITIONING!!



shaolin monks condition them selfs and would probly do well in a fight, and so would chinese san shou, but american kung fu classes consist of 20 pushups and stretching, then practicing forms and shiat like that.

[JkD187]

Hahahahahah – Anucha, you’re a joke mate. Seven years of training and you haven’t learnt a basic respect for other martial arts systems and what they train for/try and achieve. It sounds like you’ve done too much sparring and done yourself some brain damage.

Don’t get me wrong I know muay thai is a good system that produces tough, fit conditioned fighters. But Wing chun is also a wicked system for the street – that’s why so many bouncers train it. It works in a range most fights happen in. It’s not about ducking in and out and sparring and getting absolutely f*cking slaughtered when you come up against a bigger, more conditioned fighter – it’s about finishing the job as quickly as possible, using natural advantage of being in or getting in close, no deadly techniques BS that you suggest just simple, brutal attacks (chops to the throat, elbows, explosive palms and punches). If it’s trained properly and realistically it’s just as effective as any martial art – including muay thai for street defence. Muay thai people that say differently having got a f*cking clue what they are on about.

Your cool.....with that sn im guessing Wing Chun Dominates all huh .

[Tom Yum]

It’s not about ducking in and out and sparring and getting absolutely f*cking slaughtered when you come up against a bigger, more conditioned fighter.

Unless your brandishing a weapon, most people will get slaughtered by a bigger, better conditioned fighter, including wingchun guys. I used to spar a cop who was a lot bigger and stronger than myself, but about the same conditioning and it was hell dude. Throwing a punch is throwing a punch whether you are trying to chain punch your way in or are firing off a cross-hook combo.

Your comment on footwork is off base. Footwork can set up you up well to sink a shot into the guys sides, back or head.

just simple, brutal attacks (chops to the throat, elbows, explosive palms and punches). If it’s trained properly and realistically it’s just as effective as any martial art – including muay thai for street defence. Muay thai people that say differently having got a f*cking clue what they are on about.

I think wingchun has good stuff to offer. I don't know if wingchun elbows are better than muay thai elbows, wingchun knees aren't better than thai boxing knees or headbutts. Wingchun kicks share the same principle as thai kicks - keep em low and make him run into them, with adrenaline the quick front snap kick doesn't hurt as much and takes more than one shot to bust a knee, - whereas one or two thai kicks can cripple. That front snap kick to the groin from wingchun is awesome though; its so fast!

The chops, palm and hammer fist techniques seem great since you aren't wearing gloves, especially at the targets you mention.

[WingChunstudent]

Hi there - I make no claims about wing chun being better than other styles blah blah blah. I’ve studied other arts and at other Wing chun schools and have a respect for all of them. I also know for a fact that many students even in my own organisation, particualrly those that slate other arts like karate etc. (like some muay students here) will probably get killed against the wrong person on the street. These are the people that say things about karate like “yeah but if you try that down the pub you’re gonna get killed” – the idea being that they having bought the kung fu brand and occasionally turning up to class (where they don’t learn much or progress but are happy to spout their “expertise” to lower belts, often consisting of mistakes) are in a better position than a karate man or have the ability of a long-trained, conditioned Wing Chun fighter.

I don’t fancy my own chances on the street in many instances, particularly if Im caught off guard, for example if someone throws a headbutt from really close (as has happened – try defending that, fight over) or if they have mates to hand, are tough enough to take hits and plough through regardless, etc. What I was doing was responding to the moronic comments of some muay thai practioners about wing chun and indeed other styles of kung fu – who frankly should know better and whose more advanced instructors would probably put them straight – if they were aware of their comments. I was pointing out that if trained correctly and persistently – in parallel with conditioning, applications, feeding techniques, psychological tactics/positioning - that Wing Chun can improve your chances on the street as much as kickboxing or muay thai.

[JkD187]

Hi there - I make no claims about wing chun being better than other styles blah blah blah. I’ve studied other arts and at other Wing chun schools and have a respect for all of them. I also know for a fact that many students even in my own organisation, particualrly those that slate other arts like karate etc. (like some muay students here) will probably get killed against the wrong person on the street. These are the people that say things about karate like “yeah but if you try that down the pub you’re gonna get killed” – the idea being that they having bought the kung fu brand and occasionally turning up to class (where they don’t learn much or progress but are happy to spout their “expertise” to lower belts, often consisting of mistakes) are in a better position than a karate man or have the ability of a long-trained, conditioned Wing Chun fighter.

I don’t fancy my own chances on the street in many instances, particularly if Im caught off guard, for example if someone throws a headbutt from really close (as has happened – try defending that, fight over) or if they have mates to hand, are tough enough to take hits and plough through regardless, etc. What I was doing was responding to the moronic comments of some muay thai practioners about wing chun and indeed other styles of kung fu – who frankly should know better and whose more advanced instructors would probably put them straight – if they were aware of their comments. I was pointing out that if trained correctly and persistently – in parallel with conditioning, applications, feeding techniques, psychological tactics/positioning - that Wing Chun can improve your chances on the street as much as kickboxing or muay thai.

Your Best "weapon" in a street fight is total awarness.No art has all the answers indeed....o and i have one question....if its game over when you get "headbutted" then how did you survive if it happened to you....i guess it was lights out huh .

[WingChunstudent]

Yes, you're right. I "survived it" with a broken nose but I wasn't knocked out.

[gong fu]

And Thai Boxing kicks the crap out of all of them.

i would have to challenge that, from what ive seen so far at the KO muay thai gym in east london, (considered a good school. even recognised in thailand as a good school) im not saying the style makes the man, but the experience/training the man goes through does make him what he is, and the muay thai training is nice the conditoning is dissapointing, i went to the gym a month or so ago as a complete muay thai rookie, i liked the cardio side to it all and sparring was fun, but as far as speed inner power and conditioning goes, i was levels above them apart from 1 other guy who cross trains in JKD, there conditioning has lots of limitations, i could already do the same conditioning methods for as long as the best fighters there, where as shaolin gong fu goes, there are plenty of methods forms and styles that i couldent attempt yet because im not ready, im not saying muay thai fighters are weak, but i am dissrespecting there limitation with conditioning and inner power harnessing,



i would rather fight 30 year old muay thai fighter in his prime, than a shaolin elder monk in his,


peace,

[julio217]

muay thai and jeet kune do

i just want to make it clear to everyone, Bruce lee was a great martial artist between the 60's &70's
martial arts has been developed, if he still alive he woudl not have the chance to beat some great martial artists, for the all the respect to bruce lee and kung fu , muay thai for example is very strong martial arts, using the elbow and the kness could crush someone's body, bruce lee was fast enough to beat some martial artists, but we must remember that during a fight with a muay thai fighter he struggled to beat him, if someone from the WF fights with bruce lee , would you think he will able to beat him? i think not, there are many good martial arts: ninja+tai chi+ muay thai, i'm a fan of bruce lee but he was so proud of himself that he thought that he was the best of the best, but he was wrong
thank you

[jubaji]

i would rather fight 30 year old muay thai fighter in his prime, than a shaolin elder monk in his

Wow, that was a pretty stupid post 5 years ago