Double leg takedown

[bratvas]

How to defend against double leg takedown?

[ryanhall]

Sprawl or jam it.

[huey]

here are a few of my favorites but it also depends on the match. for instance you wouldn't do these if it is a grappling match.

1. double chop to the back of the neck as you drop into a soft bow
step away(this one you can do gently i suppose but why)

2. move one foot back, push down on the head, bend both legs and press down to the floor heel stomp between the shoulder blades or kick to the side of the head.

3. move one foot back but keep your weight on the front leg, bend both legs, wrap the head and spin it over whether he rolls with it or not.

4. wipe his hands away as he comes in, step away and snap kick him in the face (or any variety you wish, an axe kick works to the back of the head).

5. if his head is tucked so you can't wrap both hands around his head (before you can react with hands he gets one leg but you pull the other back, he tucks his head in real tight for instance) put one finger in his eye and aim for his center as you push down on his head with the other hand. hold this on him even if you go down cause you can turn him over, pull him up, put in your hooks and choke him out if you choose to. i wouldn't but you could.

again, these are not the things you would do to a friend or to someone that you are just rollin' with.

[ryanhall]

Huey,
You do realize that people don't attempt double leg takedowns from five feet away, don't you? None of those things would have any chance of working save the last one if someone was clinched with you and attempted a double leg--or if they set up the takedown with a strike. Before you say that real fights don't happen like this, I will point out that a double leg takedown would be seen from someone with grappling experience. As such, they are usually intelligent enough to either clinch you or hit you before they shoot. A body tackle would be a different story.

You would end up on your ass pretty quickly against a decent grappler if you attempted options one through four on your list. Kicking against a takedown...?

To defend a takedown, either move, sprawl, or jam it. Or latch onto their face while doing the above and start shredding. People use these defenses all the time because they work. Never (yes, I said the 'n' word), and I repeat, never, pick up your feet when someone is attempting to tackle you from close range. Your chances of successfully kicking them are so low it's just silly. In defense of Huey, I would point out that an aspect of some of his suggestions may work at a certain time, but you won't ever have the chance to stomp on someone's neck if you don't halt the takedown first.

[huey]

ok maybe i should have asked are you in the grip of the opponent already or is he shooting in on you?
i didn't include the detail so i deserved that reply ryan.

if he is shooting in on you i know that it will not be done from five feet away but i also know that the opponents head will have to be lowered or else he has to have really long arms. when the head drops and his arms circle around trying to grab both legs or actually grabbing both legs, his head or the back of his head and neck will be exposed. if this happens and you push down on his head so that it is lower than his waist he cannot drive forward into you. he cannot at that point wrap his legs around yours to assist in the takedown either. at that point if you step back, leaving your center line (weight) over the front leg and bend both legs you can escape the hold because he will not have the same strength that he did with his head above his waist. just like sprawling extends his body to the point he cannot hold the grip.
after you have pushed his head to the floor you can pull your other leg away and then kick him in the head. i never said kick as a counter.
i agree until you halt the attack you don't move your feet, first drop your weight on the opponent then pull away (like sprawling) as the judo fighter in the ufc a few years ago did. (i think his name or nickname was tko, he trained with maurice smith) anyway his opponent shot in three times and each time he dropped his weight on his opponent and then pulled his leg back to return it in a knee lift to the other guy.

if you hit the back of a guys head annd drop your weight on that hole in the neck just below the intelligence bone will cause the affect that feels like your eyes are popping out of your head (it does for me when this is demonstrated on me)

have you ever tried to push down on the head of a man who is shooting in on you? that halts the forward movement although he can turn, roll, or pull away.
i will say that you cannot do this effectively if you bend at the waist and try to push. but you can do this if you keep your back straight and drop straight down on his head. if you try this in practice to see if it makes no sense don't snap your hands cause you will hurt your buddy. i have tried this with some friends who have different backgrounds outside of the art i study.

[ryanhall]

Huey,
I see where you're coming from now. I only place my faith in sprawling, jamming, or shredding, but I can understand your point of view.

I definitely agree with pushing down on the back of the head to take away the other guy's posture, but I still would not attempt to kick, as it greatly compromises my balance. If I were to attempt conventional striking, I'd sooner knee after halting the takedown.

[sercuerdas]

three lines of defense for a takedown.

1. hands (push shoulders of attacker as you move feet back.)

2. forearms(if he gets past your hands jam with forearms as you step back or sprawl)

3. hips (if he passes your hands and forearms sprawl and pop him with your hip).

these are the only ways to defend the td i know of, there are of course many counter attacks(e.g . army roll, cement mixeretc.).

[huey]

hey ryan i love the knee to the face comeback just as much but if you drop your weight on the guy and shove his face to the floor it is not a viable option at that point.
you can choose midway depending on what he does (pulls away, abandons the grip to stop his momentum by placing his hands on the floor, or holding on because he places his feet in a different place than you had anticipated) then you could knee him in the face because it is in the right place. if he is face down he has to either
1. roll over and possibly turn to put you on the other side of his feet,
2. roll forward toward one of your sides,
3. push himself backward on the floor to increase the space between you and him,
4. or stand up.

now i am a beginning grappler (in and out of jujitsu for about two years) but these are the only things i have seen when practicing these manuevers if you know others please let me know because the more knowledge of a defense is to formulate a better attack.
again he may try to do one of these things while you are pushing down because he knows what may happen if he rides the ride to the end.
i know my friends don't let this happen anymore when we play (damn them) although i don't strike them they don't seem to like the possibility that it could happen. in other words they don't let my head get big about it (damn them again). in fact the last time we played they didn't do it at all. one guy teased me and then threw me over his head (he is the heavyweight world champion in jujitsu two years in a row. Mike Serr ) damn him.

i haven't figured out how to beat that one without striking yet and he never lets me try either. for a big guy (6'1" 275 8% body fat) he is frickin fast. damn him again. and i have never won a match with him even if i do the push and drop. he just plays with me like a cat and a toy. i really hate that guy for that.

[jubaji]

there is a lot of bs about defending takedowns. a lot of this 'theorizing' assumes a terrible, poorly executed shot from halfway across the room. maybe that will be the case with some drunk in a bar, but a trained grappler is gonna set up a shot, and the whole show is over in about a second or two. keep it simple

[IPON]

I think the key question is not so much the sprawl issue or kicking the leg out, but what to do you do concurrently with sprawl. Generally, the following are a few more suggestions I would say in a match and in the street:

1. If your reaction time is quick, the best tactic is to control the head and sprawl. There is nothing complicated here hand(s) on the while someone shoots then force head into the concrete with hands or forearm depending on position.

2. Balance is the key. If they shoot maintain your base enough for 1-2 seconds, sprawl and underhook the arm, wizzer type of movement to a crank(e.g. right hand under left arm pit then move right hand to neck, at the same time left hand meet at neck and apply downward pressure-the persons neck should not be stronger than your body weight and arm strength) this is a good move to practice as it immediately puts someone on the defensive and can be very painful is done correctly even if not completely correct or painful it will be enough to distract and get your leg free. Knees and elbows are options here.

3. Same as above but instead of the neck crank go for the front headlock (not just a crank you have to get his arm [elbow and/or triceps) and possibly a guillotine (for street of course) or you push in turn the corner and mount (I don't recommend it but it is an option).

4. This depends on many factors (on your upper body strength and grappling comfort...etc) drop to your knees ..... it will prevent you from getting thrown (for the non BJJ attacker) and it may prevent you from going on your back....but I would only say if you don't know what you are doing this would be a last resort.

And jubaji is more than 100% correct about a wrestler. It is so hard to train balance and sensitivity that when someone starts BJJ or some ground fighting MA it looks simple but its not. Not everyone is going to just take you to the ground with a double leg any mediocre wrestler knows to switch instinctively from a double to single and vice versa and you can be thrown or locked (knee or ankle ) with not too much effort after you fall to the ground. And believe it or not it is worth the expenditure of energy if a grappler shoots gets the double and slams you, the fight is over or close to it. Of course this a little different for a match because you would be responsible for the opponent’s safety but in a fight there are no rules.

Anyway, just wanted to add a different view and my 2 1/4 cents

[SOUTHPAW]

JUMP

[jubaji]

Originally posted by SOUTHPAW
JUMP

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[NWPTrainer]

235grain Hydra-Shoks out the barrel of a Sig Sauer P220 works remarkably well if you've got it in your hands. Otherwise, sprawl, jam, or sidestep.

RLTW

[jubaji]

Originally posted by huey

have you ever tried to push down on the head of a man who is shooting in on you?

If this someone has much experience, you'll be counting the lights mighty quick!