How NOT to fight, by Paul Vunak, VIDEO

[nutter]

other people talk it Paul puts his own ass on the line to test his system.

You're saying Demitri and Thompson are all talk who never put it on the line?!!!???

What makes him different....hmm add up all of Demetri's and Thompson's experiences and fights(bolth are great guys as well dont get me wrong) and multiply that by two and you might start to get the idea about exactly who Paul Vunak is.

So he has loads more real world experience than those two guys. Cool. As evidenced how?

[JkD187]

You're saying Demitri and Thompson are all talk who never put it on the line?!!!???
So he has loads more real world experience than those two guys. Cool. As evidenced how?

Dont take my word for it...just ask around.

[BoarSpear]

You're saying Demitri and Thompson are all talk who never put it on the line?!!!???
So he has loads more real world experience than those two guys. Cool. As evidenced how?

Did you do ANY research before you joined the forum and began spouting your opinions? Look around, look into the contributions Vu has made now compare the other two's contributions combined...

[Britt]

Vunak never trained pure Wing Chun. He has no real skill and merel copies the art. He may have had outside strength many years ago, but I could easily defeat him.

Look how easily he got sucker punched in the video!

Hey, Phil, your Wikipedia entry says you study Liu Seong Gung Fu and Jun Fan/Jeet Kune Do, not Wing Chun. What gives?

[Tom Yum]

Hey, Phil, your Wikipedia entry says you study Liu Seong Gung Fu and Jun Fan/Jeet Kune Do, not Wing Chun. What gives?

This is Phil Elnore, not Phil Elmore.

Elnore was originally intended to be a break-dancing cloned version of Ted Danson. Seeing as the experiment failed, the project was outsourced to an up & coming Chinese biotech firm for completion.

[Britt]

This is Phil Elnore, not Phil Elmore.

Ohhhh, so it is. Good eye. Quite a coincidence on the name, eh?

[BoarSpear]

Ohhhh, so it is. Good eye. Quite a coincidence on the name, eh?

especially in light of the fact the both named their webpage the Martialist

Hmmm, where is TB when you need him? He and Phil ELMORE are REAL close...Gee i wonder if that software Phil uses is gonna activate...someones talking about him on the net

[Thai Bri]

Leave me outta this!

But, in all seriousness, in what way has Vunak done more for real street defence than Dimitri or Thompson? Yes, he is a big noise in the JKD world, and does have world-wide pulling power......but so what? So does Chuck Norris! But that doesn't make him "street defence" any more than our Chuck.

Where are his writings on behavioural concepts, psychology, awareness, legal implications etc. etc.? Self protection is about so much more than fighting.

I have seen some of his work on so called street defence. It was just ring fighting starting from a bar stool. But he did seem to be in the vicinity of a pool ball everywhere he went.

No offence to Vunak. If we were talking about swimming he could be seen as a fine sports swimmer and trainer. But a life saver? Nah.

[BoarSpear]

Leave me outta this!

But, in all seriousness, in what way has Vunak done more for real street defence than Dimitri or Thompson? Yes, he is a big noise in the JKD world, and does have world-wide pulling power......but so what? So does Chuck Norris! But that doesn't make him "street defence" any more than our Chuck.

Where are his writings on behavioural concepts, psychology, awareness, legal implications etc. etc.? Self protection is about so much more than fighting.

I have seen some of his work on so called street defence. It was just ring fighting starting from a bar stool. But he did seem to be in the vicinity of a pool ball everywhere he went.

No offence to Vunak. If we were talking about swimming he could be seen as a fine sports swimmer and trainer. But a life saver? Nah.

Ah, there you are cmon man, sometimes you seem so bright...other times i remember yer a cop. and British, LOL

i cant say i have ever been hit by the other two but ive stood before Paul and went down under a flurry of strikes, he was aware of the ground game before anyone else had heard of the Gracies he was training with them...Paul is a guy who likes Dark bars and fast women...both provide plenty of times to test your SD skills...I understand his world, and his ideas on fighting work for me since we share similiar lifestyles.

[nutter]

Ah, there you are cmon man, sometimes you seem so bright...other times i remember yer a cop. and British, LOL

i cant say i have ever been hit by the other two but ive stood before Paul and went down under a flurry of strikes, he was aware of the ground game before anyone else had heard of the Gracies he was training with them...Paul is a guy who likes Dark bars and fast women...both provide plenty of times to test your SD skills...I understand his world, and his ideas on fighting work for me since we share similiar lifestyles.

That doesn't sound like a very scientific basis for the nutrider corner's assertions that he has much more experience than Thompson and Demitri combined mate.

[BoarSpear]

That doesn't sound like a very scientific basis for the nutrider corner's assertions that he has much more experience than Thompson and Demitri combined mate.

(screw google) Yahoo search him dude...This forum aint big enough to list all Pauls contributions ....just search this forum....those who have experienced Paul first hand swear by his skills...sure some people hate him...have you seen your fan club? (or mine)

[SamuraiGuy]

(screw google) Yahoo search him dude...This forum aint big enough to list all Pauls contributions ....just search this forum....those who have experienced Paul first hand swear by his skills...sure some people hate him...have you seen your fan club? (or mine)

lol the boarspear fan club, I would be a casual member, as I both like/hate you, I like the fact that you can actually attempt to refute my incredibly right points all the time, while others would fall by the wayside, and I hate the fact that you can own most kids before I get here, its just not fair.

Plus were part of the significant group of posters right? (see signature for anyone who didnt read the "significant" thread)

I still never got an answer on my uhh, question, (thats the one) I was given the response "well thats what makes you so susceptible to it", be that as it may, I may be more susceptible, but you still didnt show how its a viable technique, I stated why I thought it was a poor technique, lack of speed, lack of damage inflicted, lack of pain caused, etc. (see other post for my problems with it).

So I may be susceptible, but that doesnt prove that it works. If I started to flick a guy in a fight, he wouldnt expect it, but it wouldnt work know would it, unless its a wing chun flick right there philly elnore.

Anyway, I EXPECT A GOOD ANSWER TO MY QUESTION, SIGNIFCANT POSTERS (LMAO) DONT WASTE THEIR TIME NOT GETTING ANSWERS!!!!

[BoarSpear]

lol the boarspear fan club, I would be a casual member, as I both like/hate you, I like the fact that you can actually attempt to refute my incredibly right points all the time, while others would fall by the wayside, and I hate the fact that you can own most kids before I get here, its just not fair.

Plus were part of the significant group of posters right? (see signature for anyone who didnt read the "significant" thread)

I still never got an answer on my uhh, question, (thats the one) I was given the response "well thats what makes you so susceptible to it", be that as it may, I may be more susceptible, but you still didnt show how its a viable technique, I stated why I thought it was a poor technique, lack of speed, lack of damage inflicted, lack of pain caused, etc. (see other post for my problems with it).

So I may be susceptible, but that doesnt prove that it works. If I started to flick a guy in a fight, he wouldnt expect it, but it wouldnt work know would it, unless its a wing chun flick right there philly elnore.

Anyway, I EXPECT A GOOD ANSWER TO MY QUESTION, SIGNIFCANT POSTERS (LMAO) DONT WASTE THEIR TIME NOT GETTING ANSWERS!!!!

well see you are just supposed to take the word of the "significant posters" and leave it at that But since this is one significant poster to another LOL...

There is a technique and a training tool for this skill....i dont know if its cool to post dudes training method...I'll look around and see if its out there and i can link to it....at one time i knew where there was clip, but i had a computer crash last week

[BoarSpear]

Here it is in pauls own words...

http://www.geocities.com/jkdinstructor/kinomutai.html?20069?20064

[BoarSpear]

Biting in Self Defense
When biting in self defense, the bite should not be executed as if you were pinching with your teeth as a pain-compliance technique. The bite should be executed like a starving lion tearing the flesh from downed prey. This is not as easy as it seems, living flesh is tougher and more slippery and slimy than raw dead meat. Bite until your teeth meet through the flesh of the assailant. This is extremely painful to even the most hardened assailant.... but be aware that it can also be enraging.

However destructive an optimal bite might be, realistically, biting must be regarded as a distraction tactic at best, to create an opening for room or time to break-away, or to inflict a more effective “take-out” attack. Biting is usually not a fight stopping method in and of itself. Most clothing cannot be effectively bitten through. The bite is reduced to a harassing pinch.Obviously, biting is an extreme close-quarters, clinch-range tactic. Biting is especially apt for ground-fighting scenarios. As a clinch-range and ground-fighting tactic, it has an assured place in any counter-rape training for women. Biting can cause the assailant to pull back - opening them up for a more lethal or maiming attack to their throat or eyes.

FACE: Grab the assailant’s head by both hands. Bite hard through the flesh of the cheeks, lips, or nose. Remember, bite until your teeth meet, or meet bone, and come away with as much flesh as possible in your mouth. If you come away with flesh and blood in your mouth, spit it back into the assailant’s eyes. This is extremely painful and demoralizing to the assailant, in addition to impairing their sight.

EARS: When fighting or wrestling in extremely close-range, bite off the assailant’s ear. Just get as much of the ear as possible into your mouth, bite down like a vise, and RIP it off the side of their head. Again, if you come away with flesh or blood in your mouth, it can be spit back into the assailant’s eyes.

THROAT: The neck and throat area is an anatomical treasure-trove of lethal targets. The sides of the neck host the carotid arteries, and the front of the neck houses the windpipe (which is protected by cartilage). In close-quarter fighting, if you have an opening, bite deeply through the sides of the assailant’s neck. This is the carotid artery area. If you successfully bite through the carotid artery the assailant will probably die of blood loss.

LIMBS: Bites to the limbs can be extremely painful, possibly effecting release of holds, etc. The arteries of the limbs are also biting targets. The brachial artery on the underside of the upper arm and the radial and ulnar arteries on the inside of the forearms are all vulnerable to deep, committed biting.

All of the arteries diagrammed for knife attacks, such as Fairbairn’s “Timetable of Death,” are applicable to biting. Remember the “soft white underbelly” principle: that the arteries are all on the inside of the arms and legs. Think in terms of biting through the toughest piece of gristly slimy meat you have ever eaten.

Not only are you going to be biting deeply through protective tissue, you are going to be in the throes of a violent life-or-death struggle, so ATTACK WITH COMMITMENT.

Is there a way to train biting? Biting is one of those things that is so simple it really requires no skill development aside from possibly developing jaw strength. My advice would be to acquire a piece of raw meat, side of beef, pork roast, whatever, and rip it apart as quickly and violently as possible with your teeth. This will give you a feel for how different it is to get a solid penetrating bite on tough slippery tissue.It has been argued that by biting you make yourself vulnerable to blood-borne pathogens, such as AIDS/HIV. This is a valid concern, but in the context of a life-or-death struggle the choice is between certain death now and possible death later. It is not a valid reason to hold back when fighting for your life. That is why spitting out blood and tissue is advocated, though even this cannot be expected.

There was a case in Britain some time ago; in the tussle of a fight, one man bit his opponent’s ear off, accidentally swallowed it in the fracas, and was subsequently charged with cannibalism!

None of this should even be in the back of your mind in a real struggle. The mind must never be divided by tangential concerns. There is ONE thought and ONE thought only: FIGHT FOR YOUR LIFE.
-- James Sass
03.27.2003

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