Chokes for self-defense

[bigred389]

Then whoever you are training chokes with is cheating you by not applying them properly.

If you can "worm" your way out of a properly applied triangle choke, you either were put in a crappy lock or you're a freak of nature with a neck so thick his head actually tapers from the neck. Are you a conehead?

Same goes for the rear naked choke...once it's "in" you're pretty much boned.

[Garland]

If you can "worm" your way out of a properly applied triangle choke, you either were put in a crappy lock or you're a freak of nature with a neck so thick his head actually tapers from the neck. Are you a conehead?

Same goes for the rear naked choke...once it's "in" you're pretty much boned.

He said he could get out of chokes, not me. Watch what the **** you say when you quote someone.

[SamuraiGuy]

Haha, I can get out of all the chokes applied on me and im not even a wrestler... lmao... what a stupid statement...

Jeez I hope you never go to the ADCC what an upset that would be... those guys obviously havent trained "not even a wrestler" grappling because they sometimes get caught in chokes! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT!

[SamuraiGuy]

Bullshit. Sorry, you are talking crap. Once a choke is secured properly you can't escape. I guarantee you that if I put you in an RNC or Guillotine you will stay in it til I let you go or someone pulls me off you.

THE RNC!!!, What if I stab you in the gut, or better yet, what if I just switch my hips and turn to face you?

Damn that was hard...

[medic06]

You have 8 seconds to apply pressure to the wound before you bleed out from your femoral artery if he gets you with his blade. And who says he's going to give you his back?

Run back to your MMA forum boy!!




Damn, where is Jubaji when you need him? All this talk of lethal manuvers. . . .

[medic06]

If you reach for your gun you have to let go with at least one hand (and samuraiguy now has space to turn ). Within 20 feet you can be fatally stabbed before you can draw and fire your weapon.

go back to the clubhouse boy

[medic06]

and you know everything in 3 years? I've studied every art I could for 12 years and I'm far from knowing everything. Your cockiness and overconfidence will get you killed.

[medic06]

This is an urban combatives forum. Weapons are a factor. Multiple opponents are a factor. Environment is always a factor. Hell, the law is a factor.

[Sagacious Lu]

... unlike a punch where even the most crude street thug will be used to punching techniques.

In other words you don't know diddly squat about punching

But lets be honest, if you are fighting a gang then you are fucked wether you try and choke them or strike them, if someone has a weapon (knife/gun etc) you are fucked whatever you do (unless you are one of these nutjobs that carries a knife/gun yourself).

Right, so if you find yourself confronted by an armed opponent, or multiple opponents, you'll just curl up in the fetal position and wait for the end? If that's your answer than your situation really is hopeless. Believe it or not though there are people who have fought their way to escape because they didn't give up... like you would.

And dispite what the bitter haters say, not all fights involve gangs, weapons and dark alleys.

No, not all fights, just the serious ones. This thread is about those situations that do involve those things.

Please stop with all this weapons bullshit. Fucking hell folks get a grip of reality. Saying "just stab him with the knife you have on your belt" is sheer stupidity.

Right, because no one carries a weapon in case they find themselves fighting for their life We're not talking about fights against the school bully on the playground here junior. I'd love to hear an FMA practitioner weigh in on this one

Saying that choking is ineffectice because you can still get stabbed it's fucking idiotic.

No, idiotic is thinking that no one carries a knife and that you can't be stabbed.

Just deal with it, in an unarmed fight between two guys if one knows grappling and the other doesn't, the grappler will win. End of story.

What's your point, this thread isn't about stand up vs. grappling, it's about self-defense. Take a look at what forum this is in, you have to accept that weapons and multiple opponents are not just possible, but in fact are likely in the real world.



Damn... I should have known when I made this thread that it would eventually turn into the same tired old sport vs. reality argument. *sighs*

[medic06]

Welcome to the board, Sagacious Lu . This fool doesn't even understand the mechanics of a choke yet he's talking smack. . . .


Too bad I need to go to sleep, I would love to see Jubaji, Boarspear, Mike, Tanto and the gang carve him up. . . .

[medic06]

it's been fun. Say hello to the gang for me

[medic06]

If you really must know; it's a combination of what you could call <edited for content; Joe Pelligrini's people won't get me for copyright infringement ) Hapkido, Judo, Jujitsu, a little military combatives thrown in. In addition I've done a little boxing, a small smidgen of Tai Chi, a bit of Kendo, and a little Pekiti Tirsia. Happy now?

Now go play with the gang when they get here. Oh, and by the way they are all well versed in grappling so make sure you have your sh** together.

[Sagacious Lu]

Fucking shit talking mouth boxer.

The only person talking shit here is you... the rest of us are trying to have a discussion. For the record I started boxing about a month ago. If you read over my old posts you'll find that I have MUCH MUCH more experience with wrestling and chin na than I do boxing so I decided to round out my skills by focusing on punching for a while. I'm the last person that's going to "hate" on grappling

"oh MMA stuff is only useful for non-serious fights"

I never said this, you're just putting words in my mouth. I wanted to discuss what situations a type of technique, namely chokes, were appropriate for. It's the idea of using the right tool for the job.

Welcome to the board, Sagacious Lu . This fool doesn't even understand the mechanics of a choke yet he's talking smack. . . .
Too bad I need to go to sleep, I would love to see Jubaji, Boarspear, Mike, Tanto and the gang carve him up. . . .

Thanks, I guess this is business as usual around here

[medic06]

You wasted your time with everything but boxing and maybe Judo. All the other arts are shit for real fighting. And LOL @ "Combat Hapkido" bwahahahhahahhahahhahahhaahaaaa. Wow I wonder how different that is to normal hapkido. Maybbe someone should invent "combat boxing" or "combat tai chi"

You're a dick!

You would call it that. I called it Hapkido. I agree combat Hapkido is a bit of overkill but that is what they are calling it these days to differentiate it from the crappy McDojo stuff. Combat Tai Chi? Already done. I'll let Boarspear explain that one to you.

By the way, if we were to fight. I wouldn't use any of it anyway. No martial art has ever beaten someone LOL

[SamuraiGuy]

BWAAAAAAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAAA. "Just switch my hips". Are you serious you fucking idiot? Doesn't work moron. Oh and what are you going to stab me in the gut with? Leaving aside the fact that the weapons excuse is the lamest pile of shit excuse EVER, you have about 8 seconds to get your knife out and deal the killer blow. You truly are clueless.

I have been doing sub grappling for 3 years now and never has anyone escaped a locked on RNC by turning around.

Tell me, can you also defend against a punch after it's hit you in the face? Fucking Clown!

I'm the one clueless about grappling... right okay.. so your telling me if you put me in the RNC... I cant just turn and face you really.... wel then why do those BJJ guys go to all the trouble of putting the hooks in, its useless, just fight for the rnc, why do they keep the hooks after theyve sunk the RNC...

FOR BODY CONTROL, IF THEY DONT HAVE HOOKS YOU CAN JUST SWITCH THE HIPS TURN AND FACE THEM YOU **** KNOB.

You claim "I have been sub grappling for 3 years", yet you dont even know about hooks, fucking douche bag, and saying you put the RNC on someone doesnt include the hooks so dont even fucking try to use that as an excuse for your stupidity. The RNC can be done standing, doesnt mean I'm not just gonna turn into you ya fucking moron, and yes I would be able to turn into you in the whole 8 seconds, also... think about how long 8 seconds actually is....

Now if I have a knife, and say it takes me 3 seconds, which if you count it out, think about the time, clearly you can open a knife in 3 seconds, less if you dont need both hands. then in the remaining 5 seconds, how many times can you make a backwards stabbing motion, I tried this myself and got 8.... besides the fact that you would probably only need one, as getting stabbed will most likely warrant a reaction.

Even if I dont have weapons, your too big of a douche to know about hooks, so I COULD just turn into you.