kickboxing for self defense

[Tant01]

..... Yeah buddy, kick boxing is the bomb! Just like a bullet proof shield, right? You gotta be super fast with those bombs so practice with lots of different people so you can KO the bad guy before he shoots you dead or gets that shank in you..... Muay Thai has disarms too right? Defang the snake and all that???

Think for a minute. NO ART is better for anything than ANY other ART... It's the situation and the intent of the two or more individuals involved that make something survivable... or NOT!

[hEmPY]

Against lowkick fighter? ehm.. are you talking about a fight on the street or in the ring? In the ring of course I use lowkicks.
But how many real fights have you seen where one of them start throwing lowkicks??
How much does a lowkick actually affect a fighter high on adrenaline? It sure wouldn't stop him from rushing you as you throw it, taking you down... I'd rather try to kick him in the nuts in that case I think.

whateva gabbah

but once u face a lowkick fighter on the street ur strategy may crash

LOL

[gabbah]

whateva gabbah

but once u face a lowkick fighter on the street ur strategy may crash

LOL

For me personally I don't think that would be a problem, since I block (shin check) or evade lowkicks instinctively by now.
But I wasn't talking about ME, I was talking about SD in general, and wether it's worth the time training kicks.

Oh and Hempy, once you face a gun fighter YOUR strategy will crash!

[darrianation]

gabbah: And I argue that knees and punches (and elbows) should be focused on, cutting out the kicks for above given reasons.
Just learing footwork and boxing takes so much time! That's why I'm looking to minimize the number of tools to learn and only inlclude the most effective ones. And it those tools should be molded into the brain. Also fight patterns should be drilled. Just watch a lot of street fights. It's always the same pattern. So drilling those patterns should give you a good chance against an untrained fighter (that will make all the classical/instinctual misstakes). Of course tons of live training too.

Sounds like you are on your way to personalizing your method. Sounds great. This is as it should be instead of following someone else’s prescription.

[darrianation]

..... Yeah buddy, kick boxing is the bomb! Just like a bullet proof shield, right? You gotta be super fast with those bombs so practice with lots of different people so you can KO the bad guy before he shoots you dead or gets that shank in you..... Muay Thai has disarms too right? Defang the snake and all that???

Think for a minute. NO ART is better for anything than ANY other ART... It's the situation and the intent of the two or more individuals involved that make something survivable... or NOT!

Tanto,

I think there is truth to what you are saying. I really think it comes down to the person not the art. There are TKD guys out there who are badass KO machines and there are TKD guys who couldn’t fight sleep. Unfortunately, many (if not all) MAs suffer from this. And I think if you strictly study kickboxing for self-defense you are right their are much better options than kick boxing.

[hEmPY]

lol *

[gabbah]

Sounds like you are on your way to personalizing your method. Sounds great. This is as it should be instead of following someone else’s prescription.

Well I'm not interested in training SD for myself actually, I will stick to kickboxing and throwing my silly thai kicks, because I love them. :P
But I just like to discuss SD.

Also my sister wanted to learn self defense, and I can give her a small part of it. And I have chosen to skip kicks and go with clinch, knees, elbows and boxing. I can teach her very basic ground skills.. the rest she will have to find somewhere else if she wants it. That's when I started to think about if kicks are worth the time and so on. Hence my posts... thanks for your input.

[kikr]

There is no one style thats the best. Self defense requires coverage of all ranges and a wide variety of techniques.

[gabbah]

There is no one style thats the best. Self defense requires coverage of all ranges and a wide variety of techniques.

I agree with the above except with "wide variety of techniques". I think it's actually better to train only a few, the most effective in each range and learn to do them fast and HARD.

[darrianation]

I agree with the above except with "wide variety of techniques". I think it's actually better to train only a few, the most effective in each range and learn to do them fast and HARD.

I think I heard once (in reference to the traditional martial arts) that only 15% of the art's techniques are used in street fighting (SD). I don't know how those numbers were obtained but it sounds reasonable to me.

In fact, I will take it one step further...10% of those techniques are virtually identical i.e. jab/front punch, cross/reverse punch, etc. Of course this isn't scientific or anything.