a touchy subject

[knifethrower]

have I just been called a dumbass ?

Yes..............................

[Tom Yum]

Mate, you have a bit of a rose tinted impression of the military right.

Not really, but I know my crap doesn't smell like roses.

[nutter]

Tom mate, are you trying to say that the military makes a man less prone to violence than the mean-average American?

[Tom Yum]

Tom mate, are you trying to say that the military makes a man less prone to violence than the mean-average American?

I never said that.

[bigred389]

Mate, you have a bit of a rose tinted impression of the military right.

Have you actually served? If you're not speaking with some personal experience, then you've clearly got $hit tinted goggles.

[bigred389]

Mate, wow I am in awe of your CAD abilities right, it’s a good job you squeezed some bragging into your post so that we all know you must be right, right mate.

It ain't braggin if you can back it up.

It's hardly disputable that the US and I'd say British military mainly recruit from the least educated/privileged elements of society right, particularly for infantiers innit. Accademic education is a key factor in earning potential and thus life style right, which is why many poorly educated, thick, immature and impressionable young men see the military as an escape innit.

I don't see where you're getting this from. The MAJORITY of US enlisted folks end up going to college. In fact, a substantial amount join because it is sometimes the only way they can AFFORD a "decent" college education(ie Podunk County Community College versus say UPenn). It doesn't matter how smart you are, you still can't afford an Ivy League education without a substantial scholarship, financial aid package, and enough cash of your own to cover living expenses.

[bigred389]

Guys, it should be obvious by now that nutter is not just irritating - he actually doesn't know anything.

Agreed.

But it's still fun. Like the mental equivalent of venting by beating up a handicapped child.

[knifethrower]

Tant, nutter can't join. Gays aren't allowed in the military.

LMFAO---------------------

You guys, please lend your creativity to nutter's NBC thread. I'm running out of acronyms...

OK…………….nutter’s a dumbass






I suck at this game

[J-Luck]

Isolated incidents of combat soldiers going off like this tend to get more press than the strung out junkies that do the same vile crap.

It's not like civilian husbands (or wives) don't do it too... Just another tactic of liberal news to make the whole thing stink even more.

Culture of Fear... good book addressing liberal media and how they are literally changing the world we live in towards a culture of fear.

[Troll Virus]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060521/..._lewis_killing

so i was reading this story about a soldier who killed his wife. this guy had seen action in iraq, and when he returned he ended up stabbing his wife like over 70 times and using a meat cleaver on her. real gruesome. many people believe this was a result of the post traumatic stress disorder he suffers from, after being wounded in combat in iraq.

there is no doubt that we are going to be seeing more and more of these incidencts occuring as the war drags on. we are having many people returining to america with deep emotional problems as a result of things they saw or did over there. are any of you guys worried about this at all? we dont really hear much about this issue, but man i dont want to be there when some dude goes postal because of the sever mental wounds that have been inflicted on him when he was fighting house to house in the hell that is bagdad iraq. this guy in the article went nuts and stabbed his own wife over 70 times. imagine if he had lost it at a different location like a crowded mall or grocery store or had a deadlier weapon in his possesion at the time? what then? i think this is a real problem some of us are going to encounter in the future

i know a guy who is currently messing around with a girl whos boyfriend is a marine in iraq. i fear greatly for this guy. you think that marine who has just survived a tour of combat in one of the most godforsaken places on earth is going to be happy when he gets back and finds his slut gf cheating on him with some douchebag? i dont think so.....

Hmm, lemme see if there's anything we can do to bring some threads back on track now that nutter seems to have choked on a pint of porcine semen.

I guess extreme experiences of any kind can mess your head up.
Any kind of battlefield experience is going to be devastating in some form or other.

My father was a writer amongst other things, and he tried for a long time to get his father, my grandfather to talk about his experience in WW1 as a sapper.
He eventually managed, by plying the old fella with whisky.
Amongst all the awful things he'd experienced, he'd been buried alive in a collapsed tunnel, dug to plant explosives under enemy entrenchements.

I do kind of wonder about this PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder) thing.
Does anyone know of any research into people going nuts on returning from WW1, WW2 etc ?
I suppose it's pretty well documented after Nam and the previous Gulf war?
I just wonder if my old grandpa ever felt the inclination to run amok with a kitchen knife, or bury himself in the garden.

[bigred389]

There's been plenty of research into PTSD.

Or even more general, stress psychology period. PTSD study is a subset of stress psychology...ie what happens when you've had too much.

[Troll Virus]

There's been plenty of research into PTSD.

Or even more general, stress psychology period. PTSD study is a subset of stress psychology...ie what happens when you've had too much.

I was thinking more generally.

Like WW1 is near enough 100 years ago, and PTSD wasn't a designation then, but 'shellshock' was described.

Can modern warfare truly be compared to the carnage of trench warfare on the Somme or Ypres, and used as justification for incomprehensible actions by affected individuals in civvy life?

[bigred389]

I was thinking more generally.

Like WW1 is near enough 100 years ago, and PTSD wasn't a designation then, but 'shellshock' was described.

Can modern warfare truly be compared to the carnage of trench warfare on the Somme or Ypres, and used as justification for incomprehensible actions by affected individuals in civvy life?

I agree with you.

I recommended On Killing/On Combat on another thread once. It covers this subject very well, at least on what it does to people, not so much the ethical discussion though. But it details why ground combat related stress creates such a disproportionate number of psychological casualties compared to many other professions you could argue are highly stressful.

In general, modern warfare doesn't compare. It's typically cleaner and more sanitized because we try to keep it neat and technology based. But when things go AFU, the boots on the ground still get the worst of it.

[Troll Virus]

In general, modern warfare doesn't compare. It's typically cleaner and more sanitized because we try to keep it neat and technology based. But when things go AFU, the boots on the ground still get the worst of it.

Would you say there's anything to the idea that a certain amount of 'institutionalisation' goes on by the nature of military training, and that that possibly removes normal rational barriers to irrational action?

[nutter]

Would you say there's anything to the idea that a certain amount of 'institutionalisation' goes on by the nature of military training, and that that possibly removes normal rational barriers to irrational action?

Yeah that's a good point mate. Despite our differences, what with you being a twat and all, you are spot on here. Of course Tom Yum would disagree cos in his eyes the military is perfect innit. He can't see the contradiction between making people responsible pillars of society right and teaching them to blindly follow orders even if it means running into the path of bullets which last time I checked isn't rational behaviour right.