street fight v.s. mma tactics for f.c. fighters

[jubaji]

Here's something elese you won't understand:

He who stands on tiptoe is not steady.
He who strides cannot maintain the pace.
He who makes a show is not enlightened.
He who is self-righteous is not respected.
He who boasts achieves nothing.
He who brags will not endure.
According to followers of the Tao,
These are extra food and unneccassary luggage.
They do not bring happiness.
Therefore followers of the Tao avoid them.

I know these words are probably a waste on you. But others may like it.

See, you may feel good about yourself because you think that posting that makes you look 'deep,' but the effect is exactly the opposite.

[Mikeb85]

okay I was sitting around sipping from a fo'ty when I realized how completely different my tactics would be during a street fight v.s how I would fight in an mma or k.b. m.t. w.b. f.c. tkd or b.n.k. fight. in sport combat I would use the jab alot set things up worry about takedown defense ect. ect. ect..
Whereas in a street fight I would only maybe jab once then explode with non-stop crosses and hooks until I got a hold of the guy then clinch, try to stay on my feet and dirty box, head but, try to bite his throat out and go for a standing choke or a slam to injure preferablity on his head, neck, or shoulder, then finish off with my knee on his neck like the cops do then pound him in the base of the skull until he quits moving. I know this whole topic is some what obvious and over simplistic but I think it's helpful to examine the street fight v.s. combat sport paradigm from time to time. Any imput would be helpful. btw is it just me or is the ufc getting extremely perdictible latle I'm like 90% accurate about who's going to win each fight.

Streetfight - get the guy on the ground and stomp him out... Simplistic, I know, but that's how they go... **** that biting eye gouging shit, that's for pussies. Most streetfights are just drunkards being idiots anyway... If your life is REALLY in danger, better have a weapon.

[jubaji]

no, the point is. you have no point, .

Oh, I have no point? So, those were your own words then? Is that what you are saying?

[punkmonk]

The point is, they are not yours banal-boy.

no, the point is. you have no point, your just trying to goad me into useless banter with you.

Do you have a crush on me? Are you going to start pulling my hair, and make faces at me in class, just like Jr. High School? lol!

I see you've definately got anger issues, and you don't listen or understand what is said to you. Here's something elese you won't understand:

He who stands on tiptoe is not steady.
He who strides cannot maintain the pace.
He who makes a show is not enlightened.
He who is self-righteous is not respected.
He who boasts achieves nothing.
He who brags will not endure.
According to followers of the Tao,
These are extra food and unneccassary luggage.
They do not bring happiness.
Therefore followers of the Tao avoid them.

I know these words are probably a waste on you. But others may like it.

[jubaji]

The point is, they are not yours banal-boy.

[punkmonk]

Be like the nature of a plagiarist and steal other people's words, no matter how cliched they have become.

Those words are THE TAO. Lau Tzu is dead, and it is all public domain. Just because Bruce Lee made them "popular" and well known does not mean they are "his" words.

[jubaji]

We train with gear.
We use face shields so we can go full force.
We drill application and spontaneous reaction.
We do not break eachothers legs in training.
We emphasize control with joints to keep people training.
We experiement with new techniques and ideas.
We spar standing, we spar on the ground, we spar both.
We do not "comply" with one another, because we are sparring and each wants to "win" the match.
We do not spar point sparring.
We spar continious.

Great. Sounds like there is nothing preventing you from competing then.





Unless...

[jubaji]

When people train with us that are "noncompliant" or stiff, strong and resisting, it makes it easier for us to execute technique.

You said that you "do not comply with each other" and then you said that when people are noncompliant it is easier to execute technique ( btw). So, which is it?

[jubaji]

Be like the nature of water. This way you overcome a stronger attack. Water is formless, so it assumes all forms, it takes the path of least resistance to overcome strength or barriers.

Be like the nature of a plagiarist and steal other people's words, no matter how cliched they have become.

[punkmonk]

Ok, so how often do you actually train in performing your 'techniques' 100% live against a fully noncomplaint opponent?

Here you go again. Do you participate in live pit fights, or practice this way yourself? Do you just go around picking fights with a "fully noncompliant opponent" so you can prove how tough you really are?
I've stated how we train. I'll use small sentences.

We train with gear.
We use face shields so we can go full force.
We drill application and spontaneous reaction.
We do not break eachothers legs in training.
We emphasize control with joints to keep people training.
We experiement with new techniques and ideas.
We spar standing, we spar on the ground, we spar both.
We do not "comply" with one another, because we are sparring and each wants to "win" the match.
We do not spar point sparring.
We spar continious.

When people train with us that are "noncompliant" or stiff, strong and resisting, it makes it easier for us to execute technique. Wing Chun works differently than some other arts. Be like the nature of water. This way you overcome a stronger attack. Water is formless, so it assumes all forms, it takes the path of least resistance to overcome strength or barriers.

Nice to see you haven't changed.

[jubaji]

We really don't do that. What we train is what we'd use in the street. Sure, we practice drills and such in class, but all the techniques we do are for the street, not competition at all. (we'd get disqualified quick! lol!).

Ok, so how often do you actually train in performing your 'techniques' 100% live against a fully noncomplaint opponent?

[punkmonk]

I've seen alot of martial artists state that they do not train an art for the street, that what they would do is so very different when defending themselves in reality. Many people come to our class and ask this too.
Many styles teach their style, and then have special techiques for "self-defense" and separate these in class time.
We really don't do that. What we train is what we'd use in the street. Sure, we practice drills and such in class, but all the techniques we do are for the street, not competition at all. (we'd get disqualified quick! lol!)
It really depends on what your wanting to learn when training. If you wish to compete, train an art for that, if you want true self-defense, train an art designed for that specifically, if you looking for health and chi, etc. you get the idea. Some train for fun. These are all good reasons to train.
But if you find that you don't feel like what your training prepares you properly for a street confrontation, I'd change styles, or schools. Or just train an extra art for that very thing. I've studied several arts looking for self-defense purposes mainly. Most i've had to take some techniques from one art and another from another art, and combine them to use in the street. But my style now, I really don't have to do that anymore. Which simplifies things when it comes down to crunch time. For, on the street, there won't be much time to think or plan your course of action, you'll be lucky if there's time to react.

[SamuraiGuy]

Yeah actually only Me and Boarspear should be allowed to cross-forum post.

And every week we will create a thread relating all the bad mouthing/revelations that went on in the course of the week.

Lmao...

[stabbychick]

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[SamuraiGuy]

Run over to the Military Tactics and Urban SF threads and haul your boys back in Sammy. You people are all over Military tactics and Urban SF using MMA like its going outta style.


Please be a forum Nazi and get your immigrants back to the MMA forums.

Thinks about it for a second.....

*boots KOTF out of the MMA forum*

and just for the record, whos promoting MMA in the other forums.

Darrianation is I believe discussing MMA in the other forums, but I would say he's more of a self defense than MMA guy. So.. he's not one... he was also the only one arguing the merits of MMA albeit briefly (with Boar) in the Military Tactics forum.

Thats the only thing I can think of, and I can post about what I want where I want, BECAUSE I AM SIGNIFICANT!