Judo Chun

[shinchoke]

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Cheers and how ya doin'. I have been on a quest recently.
It is my opinion that a new(or perhaps not so new) type of "real life" applicable way of thinking/fighting/defending is pretty much in order.

How about training in a sport art (I call them sport arts because I feel sport and "alive" are pretty much the same mindset, utilizing your best abilities as someone attemps to oppose you using theirs. Kano was a damn sharp bloke. I think it would be wise to dig up on his advice on good ol' randori) and then mix it up with a "what if" art. What do I mean by a "what if" art?

I have been practising judo and also wing chun for about a year now.
And recently at a Halloween party, my brother in law (fully pissed on booze) went friggin' nuts and attacked me. He threw a couple big punches my way which (using wing chun hand and footwork) I blocked and evaded.
I think my blocks hurt him a bit.
Mind you I am 5'6" 160lbs and he is about 6'1" 200lbs.
He then grabbed me by the throat as he charged at me(man did that suck!) but somehow I went with his momentum (judo) rolled back and somehow got him into an armbar (in the process I got a pretty good cut on my cranium from a coffee table, I didn't know head wounds bled so damn much!) Very friggin' sad actually. I wish it never happened. It must have looked extra rediculous because everyone was dressed in nutty holloween costumes and singing karoke!!! lol

I have a damn cool w/c sifu though(William Cheung lineage). Perhaps his teaching techniques might even be considered "alive". He's competed in full contact kyokoshin karate bouts(hope my spelling is right) so maybe he's using some of that influence. Don't rightly know.

He'll do stuff like stand in front of me and randomly throw uppercuts, jabs, and haymakers while we both wear chest,leg and elbow pads, hand wraps, and a football helmet(the helmet was my idea so we could start hitiing with elbows and fists to the head area). It seems he tries to teach me mainly stuff that can be practised full power. When I fail to execute properly (happens more than I like to admit), I feel the full power of that fist coming.
I am just recently grasping upon executing the fundementals of both Judo and w/c. But I got a little taste of "real" (weird) world application that night with my enebriated bro-in-law. Tastes alot like Halloween candy too! lol

All I know is I am having a great time mixing a supposed "dead" art (w/c) with the almighty judo that kicks my ass into beach body shape.

Not everyone is badass enough to compete in MMA. Some of us just want to find a mix that suits our individual needs...enough dojo fighting so you can get used to the shock of real contact and then when properly accostomed to that shock being able to use some "what if" (compliant training partner etc.)stuff as well.
I am an open minded reasonable bloke. Any opinions and/or insights are truly appreciated. I guess since this my first time posting I'm a bit of a rookie. Rock on and thanks!

p.s. This post is sort of a cut and paste that I've posted on a few other threads. Just looking for comments and good advice from you more learned fellas.

[SamuraiGuy]

Thumbs up to Judo and Boxing, or judo and wing chun in your case...

One thing I've noticed.. you never said you actually do Judo, just that you... had a wierd judo momentum thing going on.

If you dont already do Judo, you probably do, but if you dont, take it up.

[shinchoke]

Thanks for the reply samurai. I've dabbled here and there in lots of different MAs for the last 6 years or so trying to find something that was interesting, a good source of physical fitness and that I felt might help a bit if I ever got into a scuffle.
The judo I take twice a week and the wing chun I do once I believe suit these needs.
I read plenty of threads that read like they were written by dictators.
The only thing that works is THIS and so on. Sure I wish I was as tough as Chuck Lidell but I have a wife, a job and 2 kids. I'm sure that Chuck even without training was born genetically prepared to have crazy knock out ability like he does.
The hippie in me really hates fighting and violence altogether, but as a man you gotta back youself up.

I was wondering if you think the type of wing chun instruction I have been receiving sounds productive in your opinion? Like I said before I believe in the aliveness thing(thats why I dig judo) and I checked out (I kid you not) about 5 other wing chun instructors @ town and this guy teaching me now really seems to get the true uses of wing chun right away.
My adrenaline really kicks in when I see those punches start coming at me full power and if my foot and hand stuff isn't fast enough I get hit.
Sure we are protected but it freaks me out enough that I feel it is pretty beneficial and useful for fighting and/or self defense. At least in my humble semi-newbie opinion.
thanks again for any insights/advice.

[shinchoke]

oops. i just realized that you might not dig on mr. Lidell. sorry no offense bro.
Please insert any other mma dude's name you think works better. LOL

[SamuraiGuy]

Maybe you shouldnt assume that I think Huge Homo's and Nazi Bear Rape are a bad thing?

Hmmmmmmmm....

Second, the fact that you are going for the aliveness thing is a good thing in my book, I personally wont train in anything where you dont end up hitting each other at some point.

Example.. Wouldnt train to swing a Bo staff around at a karate school.
Would train to swing a 6 foot staff (same thing) to knock someones head off from a FMA/Kali perspective, when we are actually going to get into it and try to knock each others heads off.

"while we both wear chest,leg and elbow pads, hand wraps, and a football helmet(the helmet was my idea so we could start hitiing with elbows and fists to the head area)."

From this I got he's only hitting you with his hands, yet you still wear chest and leg protectors, do you mean a chest protector because he's throwing body shots? (which in my mind wouldnt be hitting the chest but a little bit below).

Second of all you mention he's wearing hand wraps but not gloves. I dont know if what he's throwing requires a lack of gloves, but yo usaid jabs and uppercuts, so I'm gonna assume its the same.

Get some gloves, either 14-16 oz boxing gloves, or the small MMA gloves. (I'd use the boxing gloves, I train under a pro fighter and he always says to use the boxing gloves until your really into the hard sparring, because its too easy to get a broken nose, cut, etc with them when you are doing ALOT of fighting).

And take the helmet off....

If you have to throw on some boxing headgear, go for it, personally I prefer not to wear it because it makes my already big head seem bigger, and to me it seems like I lose some of the vision and awareness I have aroudn me, but up to you.

Oh and last thing, its good that your going for the aliveness thing by having him throw at you, but do you ever get a chance to hit him back? If he's too old or something strange like that, go at it with another kid in your class, with boxing gloves or whatever. You can spend all your time blocking, but until you start to block, move, and hit, all at the same time, your really limiting yourself.

[Yu Law]

Thanks for the reply samurai. I've dabbled here and there in lots of different MAs for the last 6 years or so trying to find something that was interesting, a good source of physical fitness and that I felt might help a bit if I ever got into a scuffle.
The judo I take twice a week and the wing chun I do once I believe suit these needs.
I read plenty of threads that read like they were written by dictators.
The only thing that works is THIS and so on. Sure I wish I was as tough as Chuck Lidell but I have a wife, a job and 2 kids. I'm sure that Chuck even without training was born genetically prepared to have crazy knock out ability like he does.
The hippie in me really hates fighting and violence altogether, but as a man you gotta back youself up.

I was wondering if you think the type of wing chun instruction I have been receiving sounds productive in your opinion? Like I said before I believe in the aliveness thing(thats why I dig judo) and I checked out (I kid you not) about 5 other wing chun instructors @ town and this guy teaching me now really seems to get the true uses of wing chun right away.
My adrenaline really kicks in when I see those punches start coming at me full power and if my foot and hand stuff isn't fast enough I get hit.
Sure we are protected but it freaks me out enough that I feel it is pretty beneficial and useful for fighting and/or self defense. At least in my humble semi-newbie opinion.
thanks again for any insights/advice.

I've been doing wc for a couple of years now, i'm not expert but i'll say that the place u r trainign at sounds amazing. I wish that we would have full contact situations, there aren't many wc schools where I live so i dont hav emany options, so your lucky to have 5 to chose from.

Also, I am too practicing WIlliam Cheugn lineage, imo, it is the most effective version. I checked out some toher WC schools that were quite far away and came to the conclusion that they did not use enuff footwork, actually little to none, they also leaned back and slide insstead of pickign up their feet.

Any1 in any martial art or fighting system (especially boxing) that footwork is key to any fighting technique.

So keep traingin hard, btw, what turned u off about the other schools u wen to?