Staying in Range

[Garland]

Anyone know any good drills to keep somebody in mid-range/ trapping range where knees, elbows, headbutts, short punches, and lowline kicks come in...while keeping the opponent out of long or grappling range?

i.e. working from the fence and avoiding throws and takedowns, and avoiding giving the person enough space to square up.

I've seen the "range rover" drill...and I was thinking if anybody had anything like that, including pummeling drills, prummb work for close range, and things like split entries, lop sao's, pak da's, gum sao's, and bolo punches, gunting's, and destructions and locks...all inclusive?

[Uke]

Anyone know any good drills to keep somebody in mid-range/ trapping range where knees, elbows, headbutts, short punches, and lowline kicks come in...while keeping the opponent out of long or grappling range?

i.e. working from the fence and avoiding throws and takedowns, and avoiding giving the person enough space to square up.

I've seen the "range rover" drill...and I was thinking if anybody had anything like that, including pummeling drills, prummb work for close range, and things like split entries, lop sao's, pak da's, gum sao's, and bolo punches, gunting's, and destructions and locks...all inclusive?

Being that this is the Urban Street Combatives forum and not the MMA forum I think you might want to reconsider your tactics, Garland. The reason that you're having such a difficult time locating drills and methods to keep an opponent in range for street fighting purposes is because that approach is for the ring.

There art two ranges: out of range(long) and in range(CQ).

In an self defense situation, once an opponent enters your close quarter zone, that is when the fight begins. A fight doesn't begin by two guys putting up their dukes and circling each other. That's ring mentality. The closer you are to an opponent, the faster your strikes become and there's less reaction time. Once in CQ, you shock him, then immediate go into striking, alternating with high and low strikes, low line kicks and possibly breaks or what some call limb destructions, then you sweep/throw him and finish him. Unless you're training for a boxing/Muay thai match, don't get sucked into wasting energy and trying to duplicate ring tactics in a real scrap.

You don't need to [i]keep[i] you're opponent in close in a real fight. Clinching muay thai style in a real fight means that you HAVE to land a knee because while you're grabbing the other guy's neck he has two hands free to strike or reach for a weapon. The continuous overkill of scaling strikes is the best way to keep a man's attention, and the second best way to keep him in close without having to tie up your own striking tools. The very best way to keep a man in close to finish him off is to stun and strike him and then sweep him while you remain standing. If your stun and strikes were effective enough the sweep will follow without too much difficulty. And he ain't running anywhere on the ground. Be quick and stomp either his neck, his jaw, his groin or his ankles and then leave. Effective stomping is a much neglected skill and it has high fight ending potential.

Keep it simple. Block. Strike. Sweep. Stomp. Its a basic formula that's worked for warriors for centuries, except the foot stomp was usually a sword, axe or spear thrust back then.

[Jiu-fu fighter]

Being that this is the Urban Street Combatives forum and not the MMA forum I think you might want to reconsider your tactics, Garland. The reason that you're having such a difficult time locating drills and methods to keep an opponent in range for street fighting purposes is because that approach is for the ring.

There art two ranges: out of range(long) and in range(CQ).

In an self defense situation, once an opponent enters your close quarter zone, that is when the fight begins. A fight doesn't begin by two guys putting up their dukes and circling each other. That's ring mentality. The closer you are to an opponent, the faster your strikes become and there's less reaction time. Once in CQ, you shock him, then immediate go into striking, alternating with high and low strikes, low line kicks and possibly breaks or what some call limb destructions, then you sweep/throw him and finish him. Unless you're training for a boxing/Muay thai match, don't get sucked into wasting energy and trying to duplicate ring tactics in a real scrap.

You don't need to [i]keep[i] you're opponent in close in a real fight. Clinching muay thai style in a real fight means that you HAVE to land a knee because while you're grabbing the other guy's neck he has two hands free to strike or reach for a weapon. The continuous overkill of scaling strikes is the best way to keep a man's attention, and the second best way to keep him in close without having to tie up your own striking tools. The very best way to keep a man in close to finish him off is to stun and strike him and then sweep him while you remain standing. If your stun and strikes were effective enough the sweep will follow without too much difficulty. And he ain't running anywhere on the ground. Be quick and stomp either his neck, his jaw, his groin or his ankles and then leave. Effective stomping is a much neglected skill and it has high fight ending potential.

Keep it simple. Block. Strike. Sweep. Stomp. Its a basic formula that's worked for warriors for centuries, except the foot stomp was usually a sword, axe or spear thrust back then.

True, what you say from an "urban combatives" view makes total sense, but the MMA people would probably argue this with you

but I totally agree with your thinking

[Uke]

It may sound contrary or counter-intuitive, but sometimes the best thing to do in order to train realistic ability is to isolate a single aspect, take it out of the realm of "reality," and focus exclusively on it for a while.

I can agree with that. Taking a specific skill set and isolating it isn't out of the realm of reality. Using a skill set that isn't from the realm of RBSD and focusing on it for the streets is out of the realm of reality.

I think its necessary to keep all training in the realm of reality as you do the drills because doing this keeps you from developing subtle mistakes that may cost you later. Let's not forget that the techniques of RBSD are based on the concepts and ideology of street fighting, not the other way around. So again, the most important drills are drilling the underlying concepts of each technique so that the student learns the technique correctly without the rookie and ring mistakes they may have acquired previously.

Sure, you can isolate a particular set of movements so that a person has the opportunity to become more fluid and instinctive with those movements, but there is no reason to remove it from the realm of reality training unless you intend on using the skill set for something other than reality.