Chain Weapons

[Warrior189]

I wanted to know which styles of martial arts teach you how to use chain weapons like Manriki, Kusari-fundo, and a Chain whip.

[Garland]

I wanted to know which styles of martial arts teach you how to use chain weapons like Manriki, Kusari-fundo, and a Chain whip.

Probably should've posted this in the Japanese MA forum. I guess a bike chain might be an expedient and useful self defense tool in a pinch.

[SamuraiGuy]

Probably should've posted this in the Japanese MA forum. I guess a bike chain might be an expedient and useful self defense tool in a pinch.

Well, see.. the problem would be getting the chain off the de-railer and what not in time, you'd have to get out your link remover, it would really just be a hassle if someone is trying to bash your face in, its not a simple matter (about 4 minutes with tools but obviously thats alot when faced with fighting).. to get it off without tools and a short amount of time.

With that said, if you were just going to bring one for the hell of it, it would be a much shittier weapon than you think.

First of all you cant really swing it because of the way its made up, it's also too skinny, then it fold and bends in funny ways due to the way the links are set up, etc....

Yep... theres a bike chain as weapon of opportunity analysis, honestly fists over bike chain, even if you had it at the ready.

[JustaFighter]

I wanted to know which styles of martial arts teach you how to use chain weapons like Manriki, Kusari-fundo, and a Chain whip.

Since you posted this topic in the Urban Combat section of this site I am going to take it to mean you want to learn how to use chain weapons as a self defense tool.

First: You are wrong in considering that such a tool is self defense worthy. Where would you conceal these weapons on you? How fast will you be able to deploy the weapon? How long will it take to initiate the attack with it? All while you're dealing with a violent street altercation that probably caught you unaware.

Second: For every action there's an equal and opposite reaction. Let's say you hit someone with your manriki chain. The energy you use to hit the person will travel back into chain and it will lose the momentum causing you to have to reasert you energy for another strike. Which in the chaos of a violent situation(which should be the only reason you pull out a weapon) equals lost time.

Third: You're just better off training how to use a knife. My suggestion would be to look up what is considered a legal knife to have and carry in your area, buy a quality pocket knife that has "assisted opening," then get a training knife and practice fighting with it.

Oh, and I have had training in using a manriki chain. It was something fun to learn when I was younger. It's just not SD worthy.

[Uke]

The manriki chain is VERY much worth the training. I can't speak for everyone else's training, but I am very close to a 10th degree level instructor in American Goju and he is a demon with the Manriki. Not only is he pinpoint accurate with it, but he actually wears it around his waste and can deploy it in less that 2 seconds and hit his target. He's unbelievable and so are his students who train in its use.

I used to feel that way about the Manriki too until I saw him use it like that. But he taught me a valuable lesson: Anything can be used as a weapon, and its very important to understand that. Many warriors from the past used to master unconventional weapons because they figured their opponents had never fought against them giving them the edge.

That's why its important to train to understand motion, not weapons themselves. The manriki isn't much different than nunchucks. It just requires a few adjustments. But they both are flexible weapons.

[Garland]

With that said, if you were just going to bring one for the hell of it, it would be a much shittier weapon than you think.

Yep... theres a bike chain as weapon of opportunity analysis, honestly fists over bike chain, even if you had it at the ready.

Agreed. But...hey...anything flexible you can use to choke, lock, and help faccilitate breaks and shit with... you see this alot in some southeast Asian martial arts...I think there's actually a form of silat that focuses mainly on the use of a sarong. Translate that to; belt, t-shirt, headphones, or if you (for some unknown reason) are carrying a length of chain...yeah...maybe.

But a manriki...try explaining that one to the police. (uh...it's..um...a weight thing to fix my toilet...or...a balancing tool for physics, yeah, that's the ticket!)

I'd be happier with a knife.

[Warrior189]

JustaFighter I just wanted to know which martial art teaches chain weapons. I put it in this forum, because I don't know which one to put it and since this forum talks a lot about different types of weapons. I thought it would be a good place.

[Tee Sok]

Ok it's not a chain, but the belt can be very useful if properly used.
It can be drawn much more quickly than a motorcycle or bike chain and it's usual to wear it.
You can slam the buckle on the arm/hand/head, it can hurt a lot and also it could be useful to prepare another attack. You can also use the belt as a whip.
The Napolitan method uses it also to disarm knife attackers by quickly wrapping it around the forearm (a scarf may also be used) and trapping it long enough to strike.

These techniques come from the Naples knife system, other improvised weapons typical of this style are the walking cane and the jacket.

In the 19th century the Camorra (the Naples mafia) developed these techniques from the Spanish knife systems, which the Spaniards brought with them during their partial occupation of Italy. The Camorra made it more vicious and "street-oriented" and probably incorporated other indigenous sytems.

[Albert]

i made a sorta fighting chain with a thick link piece of chain, i folded it and met the two end pieces then wrapped them in tape to make a handle. it was effective, but yeah its not going to look good if yu get in a fight with it. a cop found mine in my car and i told him it was a necklace, lol. he looked at me like i was an idiot and just tossed it out.


I saw a weapon on a martial-arts video once but i dont know what its called, a rope dart i think. it was a rope, with a heavy metal dart on the end, and the guy was incredbile with it, he swung it around him self and shot it outward and then back again. crazy stuff.

some videos of it on youtube..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhW67MBO8M8&mode=related&search=

[Garland]

I gots a chain weapon... although it isn't very inconspicuous and it's not very expedient...here ya go...this is funny as ****.

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and here's a clip from a French horror film with a kick ass song put behind it.

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