Legal Weapons ?

[freefighter2010]

Michael,

Thanks for responding with a detailed response. You make some great points which I myself will go away and think about.

Peace

FF

I know and I agree with you, but the bottom line is our Government aren’t going to relax the laws, if anything it will get worse. Let me be clear, I believe in an armed society. In such a society, good faces evil with equal odds. In a society like ours, good faces evil at a distinct disadvantage. So I don’t agree with it, but what I’m saying is that I live here so if I want to stay within the law, I have to accept it.

Yeah there are things in the UK you can legally carry. I’ve met a lot of guys in martial arts here who pull all these weird and wonderful little weapons out of their pocket, and kind of say “well I’ve got this, so bring it on”. I look at them and I think - you’re out of shape, you can’t move, you don’t run, you’re not fast or conditioned, you can’t hit or clinch worth shit……you’re putting all of your faith in a ballpoint pen. So if the worst was to happen, and a determined attacker pulls an 8-inch blade on you, your life is in the hands of a pen, or a key chain, or a torch or whatever it is. I just don’t buy it.

If I face the same attacker I want to be able to run faster and longer than he can. I want my speed of movement and reflex to be ten times sharper than his. I want to hit so hard that if I catch him with anything, its like he ran into a brick wall. I want my close range game to be so devastating that if I get a two on one on that knife holding arm, he’s going home in an ambulance, or a hearse. I would rather have all of this and then maybe, if it was right and it was a strong enough option, I may grab something to help me out. And surely, with that base of attributes, I'm going to be a damn site more effective with it. I still believe, under our laws, the sharpest weapon you have is yourself.

I know and I agree with you, but the bottom line is our Government aren’t going to relax the laws, if anything it will get worse. Let me be clear, I believe in an armed society. In such a society, good faces evil with equal odds. In a society like ours, good faces evil at a distinct disadvantage. So I don’t agree with it, but what I’m saying is that I live here so if I want to stay within the law, I have to accept it.

Yeah there are things in the UK you can legally carry. I’ve met a lot of guys in martial arts here who pull all these weird and wonderful little weapons out of their pocket, and kind of say “well I’ve got this, so bring it on”. I look at them and I think - you’re out of shape, you can’t move, you don’t run, you’re not fast or conditioned, you can’t hit or clinch worth shit……you’re putting all of your faith in a ballpoint pen. So if the worst was to happen, and a determined attacker pulls an 8-inch blade on you, your life is in the hands of a pen, or a key chain, or a torch or whatever it is. I just don’t buy it.

If I face the same attacker I want to be able to run faster and longer than he can. I want my speed of movement and reflex to be ten times sharper than his. I want to hit so hard that if I catch him with anything, its like he ran into a brick wall. I want my close range game to be so devastating that if I get a two on one on that knife holding arm, he’s going home in an ambulance, or a hearse. I would rather have all of this and then maybe, if it was right and it was a strong enough option, I may grab something to help me out. And surely, with that base of attributes, I'm going to be a damn site more effective with it. I still believe, under our laws, the sharpest weapon you have is yourself.

[freefighter2010]

I was saddened to read recent articles on the whole knife culture in the UK. Which is scary as hell. This leaves the poor law bidding citizen in a very awkward position when it comes to self defense. I can learn how to defend myself against a knife using my hands and feet but i still gamble with my life.

So a question arose in my mind. So what can a citizen carry should he/she come up against an assailant with a weapon ?. Other questions also arose for examples places like France and Germany sell pepper guns, stun guns openly to the public yet isnt it strange that their crime rates are lower then those in UK ?.

How do we deal with issues like this ?

1. Arm the citizen allow them to carry a weapon
2. Make the laws alot more harsher for carrying offensive weapons

Thats cool, I just wondered why weapons in particular.

I do indeed have a fascination with martial arts, self-defence a little less so these days cos I've mellowed ;0)

Weapons is something that I really used to be into, but I've kind of let that go. As you know here in the UK, we are just playing with toys that can't be legally carried or used. So I decided to place all of my focus on the natural weapons I carry every day.

Hi Michael,

Well like yourself I have a fascination for the martial arts, self defense and weapons :-)

Thats cool, I just wondered why weapons in particular.

I do indeed have a fascination with martial arts, self-defence a little less so these days cos I've mellowed ;0)

Weapons is something that I really used to be into, but I've kind of let that go. As you know here in the UK, we are just playing with toys that can't be legally carried or used. So I decided to place all of my focus on the natural weapons I carry every day.

we need weapons to protect ourselves bro.

Never used a weapon on someone in my life Dick, and I'm still here.

Its not that I don't appreciate or understand their worth, or that I wouldn't use one, I just think people place far too much faith in them.

[freefighter2010]

Hi Michael,

Well like yourself I have a fascination for the martial arts, self defense and weapons :-)

freefighter,

spotting a real theme across your posts, why the fascination with weapons?

Two fists, two feet, two elbows, two knees, a sharp mind, a strong heart and a pair of healthy lungs. Thats a pretty good arsenal right there.

[DickHardman]

[DickHardman]

freefighter,

spotting a real theme across your posts, why the fascination with weapons?

Two fists, two feet, two elbows, two knees, a sharp mind, a strong heart and a pair of healthy lungs. Thats a pretty good arsenal right there.

we need weapons to protect ourselves bro.

freefighter,

spotting a real theme across your posts, why the fascination with weapons?

Two fists, two feet, two elbows, two knees, a sharp mind, a strong heart and a pair of healthy lungs. Thats a pretty good arsenal right there.

[freefighter2010]

I was in France and Germany for a holiday and there its crazy you purchase knuckle dusters, pepper sprays, stun gast etc.

[freefighter2010]

Thanks mate pepper sprays are illegal in UK. I do not want to break any law in UK and hence me posting this question. I think blades are legal so long as they dont lock i have to check on this

The problem of european conutrys is, that if you want to obtain a weapon on a legal way it takes to much time, 1st you have to got threw psyhic test (not to mention they chek for any records whit the police, so they can see if you are ok), then you need 2 things to get, which is again very hard to do, get the licence to carry it whit you and one to have it in your house, i may be wrong, since it has been long ago when i disscus it whit someone, but it is something like this.


So no wonder ppl buy guns of the black market, easy to get, easy to use and easy to dispose. No bitchin around whit the papers/police/and any kind of psych test....

Any kind of cold weapon carrying is not allowed, i think as i may remeber, but i cannot confirm it, you can carry a small blade that the balde dosent not goes threw the limit of 5 cm. Any further than that and you can be charged on carrying a illegal weapon.


Since the guy from UK, dosent know, simple weapon like peper spray, stun gun, i think it is obtainable in UK, in here, Slovenia u still have to go to police station to report it, that you have it. Got stoped 2 times and searched after they found it said i need to report it.
So basicly go learn MA and grab one of this 2 babys and your ok.

You should stop at any local police station and ask for some info.

[dogzilla]

The problem of european conutrys is, that if you want to obtain a weapon on a legal way it takes to much time, 1st you have to got threw psyhic test (not to mention they chek for any records whit the police, so they can see if you are ok), then you need 2 things to get, which is again very hard to do, get the licence to carry it whit you and one to have it in your house, i may be wrong, since it has been long ago when i disscus it whit someone, but it is something like this.


So no wonder ppl buy guns of the black market, easy to get, easy to use and easy to dispose. No bitchin around whit the papers/police/and any kind of psych test....

Any kind of cold weapon carrying is not allowed, i think as i may remeber, but i cannot confirm it, you can carry a small blade that the balde dosent not goes threw the limit of 5 cm. Any further than that and you can be charged on carrying a illegal weapon.


Since the guy from UK, dosent know, simple weapon like peper spray, stun gun, i think it is obtainable in UK, in here, Slovenia u still have to go to police station to report it, that you have it. Got stoped 2 times and searched after they found it said i need to report it.
So basicly go learn MA and grab one of this 2 babys and your ok.

You should stop at any local police station and ask for some info.

[freefighter2010]

Thanks Mike

In answer to your quesiton a biro is a pen :-)

Forgive my being a dumb yank, but what'sa biro?

I'm reminded of a Special Forces buddy of mine nearly getting us carted off a plane on the way back from Korea when the stewardess told him all the knives used in the meal service had been removed for safety reasons. He said "Lady, if I wanted to take this plane, I could do it with or without your silverware."

Brilliant.

I went to Minneapolis in February, and I realised that I hadn't completed my visa for landing, so I called a stewardess. I asked her if she had a biro, she said yes I do sir, but I can't give it to you for safety reasons. When I looked blank she said added...."you could use it as a weapon".

I smiled and said "Oh, you've seen my website sweetheart".

[Tant01]

What you SHOULD KNOW (or INTENT is everything)

The Law
Section 1 of the Prevention of Crime Act 1953 prohibits the possession in any public place of an offensive weapon without lawful authority or excuse. (Archbold, 24.106a)

Definition of an offensive weapon. (Archbold, 24.115)

'Offensive weapon' is defined as any article made or adapted for use to causing injury to the person, or intended by the person having it with him for such use. The courts have been reluctant to find many weapons as falling within the first limb of the definition and reliance should usually be placed upon the second. On that basis it must be shown that the defendant intended to use the article for causing injury.

Lord Lane, CJ. in R.-v-. Simpson (C), (78 Cr.App.R.115), identified three categories of offensive weapons: those made for causing injury to the person, i.e. offensive per se; those adapted for such a purpose; and those not so made or adapted, but carried with the intention of causing injury to the person.

In the first two categories, the prosecution do not have to prove that the defendant had the weapon with him for the purpose of inflicting injury: if the jury are sure that the weapon is offensive per se ...

Offensive per se
For the caselaw on instances of weapons considered to be offensive per se (Archbold 24-116).

Section 139 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 prohibits the possession in a public place of any article which has a blade or is sharply pointed, (including a folding pocket knife if the cutting edge of its blade exceeds 7.62cm/3 inches). (Archbold, 24.125)

Both offences under section 1 of the Prevention of Crime Act 1953 and section 139 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 are triable either-way. The offence of having an offensive weapon carries a maximum sentence of four years imprisonment...



A dangerous weapon includes an offensive weapon as specified by the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) Order 1988, as amended in 2002, or knife, bladed or pointed article.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/section12/chapter_c.html#06