Kicks at the fight

[AREAL]

What I have found is that when you are using your hands well people try to defend against the hands and rarely even seen the kick.

Also kicks can make entry a real pain. Against a good kicker, getting in to boxing range can be nearly impossible without taking damage.

I know for a fact you can throw kicks and maintain forward pressure, I've spent the last 5 years integrating a kicks into a delivery system that contains hands and kicks with maximum utility and effect.

I can tell you, that the common sense ideas of kicks not being useful, or in any way detrimental to Self defense are completely wrong. When I finish my book you can all buy a copy and test it for yourself.

good to see you again, what's new

[jubaji]

I like the lack of posturing and pumping themselves up, animals don't f*ck around they go right to it.

Actually, animals posture and pump all the time.

[kingoftheforest]

What I have found is that when you are using your hands well people try to defend against the hands and rarely even seen the kick.

Also kicks can make entry a real pain. Against a good kicker, getting in to boxing range can be nearly impossible without taking damage.

I know for a fact you can throw kicks and maintain forward pressure, I've spent the last 5 years integrating a kicks into a delivery system that contains hands and kicks with maximum utility and effect.

I can tell you, that the common sense ideas of kicks not being useful, or in any way detrimental to Self defense are completely wrong. When I finish my book you can all buy a copy and test it for yourself.

Single leg flying crane.

[kingoftheforest]

Nice eye gouge in there too...

I like the lack of posturing and pumping themselves up, animals don't f*ck around they go right to it.

[kingoftheforest]

YouTube - Honey Badger vs Monitor. Honey Badger owns Monitor Lizard.

mother nature prefers infighting lol

They're not lying about the tails. I had a nile monitor and it opened my hand up with it's tail. I almost needed stitches.

[Tom Yum]

infighting vs. kicking

YouTube - Honey Badger vs Monitor. Honey Badger owns Monitor Lizard.

mother nature prefers infighting lol

[kingoftheforest]

Any other useful kicks?

If you're wearing boots especially combat boots, an upward kick into the shin as a nice set up kick. It causes the opponent to lean in slightly so if you launch this kick while throwing a flurry of hand strikes you can time it to make the opponent lean into the strikes.

[Da Pope]

Actually properly practiced the stomp kick can even be used in a clinch situation the targets are just a little different.

Yep

Also the shin kick requires an arch to generate power, which means it covers more distance and takes more time, it also takes away from forward pressure, which in an urban environment is something you want to keep applying in the fight.

I'm not with you on this. There are many ways to set up the shin kick none opf which really compromise you in the way you are suggesting. A matter of training I guess, if you dont train it in an effective way then you will probably always see it in this light.

The stomp kick when properly employed, does not mean lean back and kick like a teep kick but is applied with forward momentum and it doesn't end with the contact to the opponent, but instead you "step down" once contact is made as if you are going to walk up the person.

Well duhhhhhhhhh..

No, but I'll stick with what I feel is best and you have every right to do the same.

Tanks

See now if you stop and read instead of just jumping to conclusions than you can actually see my point, and use a bunch of big misspelled words to do it.

[Tom Yum]

I'm just a practitioner of MA's like everyone here and enjoy these discussions, not only to think about my own training but to see what others are training and learn.

IMHO, kicks should never be used alone. It goes against the concept of fighting deceptively, takes you off balance (weather/terrain affects movement and balance) and like KOTF said, you want to maintain forward pressure while fighting in an urban environment. In a military urban environment, kicks seem better used very sparingly IMO since you may be operating in full battle rattle and you have better weapons to chose from.

There are TKD/TSD and other artists out there who can probably end a fight with a kick or two, even high and flashy, but this day in age there are more people practicing more MAs and I don't want to expose myself to a takedown/sweep if I don't have to. Try throwing a kick at an experienced grappler, like Jubs, and after you miss and finish chambering - you're exposed for a takedown.

The OP stated an opinion about the usefulness of kicks. In my opinion, they're a weapon to add to your fighting arsenal, to be used sparingly. Here are a few that I think are useful:

Thai kick is a good one, but never as an initial attack. Best used as a progressive indirect attack after hitting hard upstairs to get your opponent moving - preferably into the swing of the thai kick. Also decent defensive movement - your opponent is swinging for the fences upstairs - make him miss and run into the thai kick. Which target? That's up to you - if the guy is well padded in the midsection, I'd thrust the thai kick slightly downard at the thigh for femoral esp if wearing boots (ala Mo Smith vs. Tank Abbot). Thin as a rail? Liver, rib cage etc. Good to practice kick grab escapes/defenses if they are targeted above the thigh.

Push kick - works well to shock your opponent. If you land a push kick straight into the solar plexus, it'll take your opponents wind out. Also good to keep your opponent at kicking range or further if they're trying to close the gap (non-takedown entry) and you want to strike them with a long range weapon (baton, OC spray, muzzle jab etc).

Stomp kick - awesome at close range destruction. KOTF described it; makes me think of MCMAP curriculum - takes your opponents focus downstairs and opens up the top side for striking or grappling.

Knee kick - another close range favorite. Classic from the clinch - again, the clinch is not static - you've got a vice grip around your opponents head/neck when done properly and because you do, you can move him/her off balance and into the thrust of the knee kick. By keeping them constantly off balance, it makes it harder for them to attack, but I wouldn't hold the clinch longer than you have to because your nuts are exposed and you loose line of sight downstairs. You can pop your opponents head back up from the clinch, using a bicep bump and use the elbows or after delivering a knee, keep the clinch but let his head up slightly so you can ram the crown of your head into a facial target (headbutt).

Any other useful kicks?

[kingoftheforest]

LMAO!!! My smelling is just fine!

Sure a stompy front kick is a useful thing but it (like every other technique) is limited to range and also to easy evasion. The shin kick is also limited but has its place and can be a very effective strike, also it can be pulled off at fairly close range.

To discount it and say ridiculous things like "Well that will get your leg broken" is just silly.

Actually properly practiced the stomp kick can even be used in a clinch situation the targets are just a little different.
And yes there is no move that is 100% effective all the time, however I prefer to train moves that are less likely to end in my appendage being broken.
Also the shin kick requires an arch to generate power, which means it covers more distance and takes more time, it also takes away from forward pressure, which in an urban environment is something you want to keep applying in the fight.

The stomp kick when properly employed, does not mean lean back and kick like a teep kick but is applied with forward momentum and it doesn't end with the contact to the opponent, but instead you "step down" once contact is made as if you are going to walk up the person.

I never said the shin kick was dumb or ineffective, but apparently reading comprehension is not a huge skill on this forum, or people just like to twist things to make themselves look better. All I did was point out that very many people on record have broken their shins using it. Is the percentage greater than, than not? No, but I'll stick with what I feel is best and you have every right to do the same.

Well that depends on what its made from doesnt it. As we are talking about legs then yes, legs are stronger in axial compression than they are under trasnverse loading. This does not mean that striking with the shin is ineffective though.

See now if you stop and read instead of just jumping to conclusions than you can actually see my point, and use a bunch of big misspelled words to do it.

[Da Pope]

And you're spelling is atrocious.

Little fap puddles like you and jubs there do nothing but run around forums and talk shit about people you have never met or know nothing about, while you continuously refuse to post anything of relevance to any conversation.

It also seems that you are unable to post on this forum without myself posting first pope. Things slow at trollshido since dicktuck got booted?

Every time someone points out that there is a way to do something outside of what's taught at a gracie school you come out of the wood work to marginalize someone.

Answer my question, which has more structural integrity mister engineer, the top of a concrete column or the side?

If I smash the column down on top I'm betting it will do less damage than the same force against the side. I'm sure you'll find a way to disagree.

Black knife I am not going to trade war stories with a bunch of wannabes on a forum (I don't know you well enough to call you a wannabe but the rest know they are). To be frank I can't give you a play by play on any of my altercations, none have been caught on tape and usually I'm to busy defending myself to take notes on what happened.

Anyone who can tell you exactly what happened in a fight is either full of shit or in high school, that's if it was a real fight and not bullshit posturing and windmill swinging.

I don't have to prove anything to any of these fap wads here. They're here to chuckle at how slick they think they are.

And unless you are talking about side kicking some one's knee in, then know I don't use any higher side kick than to the knee. have I used a side kick to the knee in a fight, yes it usually f*cks the knee up pretty bad if you use intent.

I am talking about stomp kicks however when I talk about kicks. Look up some of Applegate's stuff look at how he used the stomp kick.

IN MY OPINION it works a hell of a lot better than the top of your foot, and you don't have to take all day and a huge arch to get power to it.

LMAO!!! My smelling is just fine!

Sure a stompy front kick is a useful thing but it (like every other technique) is limited to range and also to easy evasion. The shin kick is also limited but has its place and can be a very effective strike, also it can be pulled off at fairly close range.

To discount it and say ridiculous things like "Well that will get your leg broken" is just silly.

Answer my question, which has more structural integrity mister engineer, the top of a concrete column or the side?

Well that depends on what its made from doesnt it. As we are talking about legs then yes, legs are stronger in axial compression than they are under trasnverse loading. This does not mean that striking with the shin is ineffective though.

[kingoftheforest]

The kick is a weapon to add to your toolbox; nothing more, nothing less...

Pros:
bigger muscles used, generates more striking power
not common, more deceptive
keeps distance for offensive weapons: keep someone in better shooting, OC spray range, baton striking range
targets to foot, shin, knee/back knee, carotid, groin, solar plexus etc.

Cons:
longer limb, not as effective in tighter spaces
makes fighter temporarily off balance
suspect to grabbing and takedown/sweep attempts
not generally effective as defense against weapons

Nice.................

[kingoftheforest]

Hmmmm. I don't recall that one I better look it up. Look son before you go calling people names you better know who or what you are talking about. I don't know your background and I can careless. You stick to your side kicks

I stopped reading what you wrote here because it's obvious you haven't read anything I've posted.

I'll tell you again I am talking about stomp kicks not side kicks. So back and reread the thread and try again son

As for what you quoted that was directed at jubaji he knows what it means, so unbunch your panties.

[Tom Yum]

Kicks

The kick is a weapon to add to your toolbox; nothing more, nothing less...

Pros:
bigger muscles used, generates more striking power
not common, more deceptive
keeps distance for offensive weapons: keep someone in better shooting, OC spray range, baton striking range
targets to foot, shin, knee/back knee, carotid, groin, solar plexus etc.

Cons:
longer limb, not as effective in tighter spaces
makes fighter temporarily off balance
suspect to grabbing and takedown/sweep attempts
not generally effective as defense against weapons

[jubaji]

people won't say this shit to you face to face, and they know this.

Some won't say anything at all, because they really have nothing to say.