A Woman's Guide to Spotting Bad Men

[Danny Flucke]

When I was dating -

I had only one rule:

Zero Aggravation.

At the slightest hint of aggravation -

You were replaced...

My wife and I have only had 5 serious arguments in almost 11 years -

It should be easy to love and respect each other -

NOT difficult...

Thanks, Danny

[Garland]

Way to keep the pimp hand strong!

hear that boys, Dolemite say...your girl shows signs of throwing a fit like a bitch...send her packin'.
If only my constitution and character were that strong!

[ecamd1025]

Think about it. That lady escaped somewhere and then wrote a book. She was obviusly seperating herself from the problem. Man and women are the same. The fact that we divide ourselves may be the cause of teh problem. All of these symptoms are in females too. For her to write about this shows all the years of study she did will still not do anything to solve your problems, because no one can. We all as human beings are conditioned to think a certain way, wee have goals and when we fail to fullfill them we get upset, depressed etc.. O r we try to change someone it doesnt work and we get depressed or we just say ta hell with it and put up with it. Am I relating because Im am a male of 20 yrs old. I hav enoticed that people always want to change who you are. Society is built on change constant change but it goes nowhere but in circles. What is society? Think about that. A bunch of rules. I have to do this you have to do that. What is love? the word love itself is not love, just as the painting of a tree is not the tree. The word has no significance. To see this is very important. Society tells you what to eat, wear, and you follow because you dont know of anything else but that. I meet plenty of girls who are dependent. MY friends girlfriend was violent towards him. All of this you speak of is useless. Men are bigger so size becomes an issue to discuss a problem. If men are small then we would be writting these books. There are many problems, but you are one as well. You affect each person you meat this is a fact, they respond to it and they think about it. This becomes their knowledge and they use it in relation to something else. This is obvious isnt It? So how are me and you different other than our physical features? Explain that to me and we shall have a discussion on something.

*SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER*

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/books/234808_men02.html

*A woman's guide to spotting bad men*

/Tuesday, August 2, 2005/

*By CECELIA GOODNOW*
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

There are a lot of frogs in dating land -- and a lot of wack jobs,
leeches, narcissists and other dangerous guys waiting to suck the life
out of you.

Counselor Sandra Brown spent 15 years trying to change their dangerous
ways, only to burn out and flee to a North Carolina mountaintop.

But she has one thing left to give - the sum of her wisdom about
intractably pathological men and the women who seem to fall for them
time and again.

"Women just don't know how to gauge when someone is unfixable," said
Brown, who hopes to clue them in with her latest book, "How to Spot a
Dangerous Man Before You Get Involved" (Hunter House, 250 pages, $14.95).

Brown says dangerous men come in eight flavors - the permanent clinger,
the parental seeker, the emotionally unavailable man, the man with a
hidden life, the addict, the mentally ill man (especially when they're
off their meds or not in treatment), the abusive or violent man and -
most dangerous of all - the emotional predator, who can smell a victim a
mile away.

What they have in common, she said, is "the inability to grow, change or
have insight."

Learning to spot the red flags isn't enough. Instead, Brown said, women
need to understand the grim reality of pathology - that men with
ingrained personality disorders ( which includes many of her eight
categories) are incapable of turning over a new leaf, no matter how much
they swear otherwise.

Until women get it, they'll keep searching for loopholes to explain why
their bad guy is an exception to the rule. For some women, she said,
trust is eternal.

Brown stresses that physical violence is only one type of danger.
Emotional trauma - the more common wreckage - also damages women's lives.

"Pathological people screw you up," said Brown, who sounds a bit
shellshocked herself as she describes the assaults and threats she used
to endure from both male and female clients who came unhinged. (Women,
she notes, have the same capacity for pathological behavior as men do.)

"I worked with wacks," she said. "I have been stalked and attacked and
my windshield shot out and my brakes cut - and that was by clients who
cared about me."

Brown, 48, who says she was once involved with a pathological man
herself, began working in victim services after the 1983 murder of her
father.

After earning her credentials as a masters-level therapist, she went on
to found residential and outpatient programs in Florida for severely
traumatized women with chronic histories of victimization. She also
worked with perps, including serial rapists, killers and emotional con men.

"It was there that I began to get frustrated seeing the same women come
back," Brown said. "The longer the women stayed in these relationships,
the easier it was to normalize abnormal behavior. It's almost like the
Stockholm Syndrome - the more you're exposed to something, the more
you're OK with it."

The gravitational pull between dangerous men and chronically victimized
women was so great, Brown had to set aside separate appointment days for
male and female clients to prevent her counseling center from turning
into a dating service.

"Right in my counseling lobby," she said, "these people were hooking up."

Although she hadn't read Brown's book, June Wiley of New Beginnings, a
Seattle shelter for domestic-violence victims, said Brown's overall
message sounded like "a lot of good common sense."

Wiley agrees women need to go with their gut when something seems amiss.
A book she has read and highly recommends is Gavin de Becker's 1998
bestseller, "The Gift of Fear and Other Survival Signals that Protect Us
from Violence."

Wiley was wary, however, of Brown's belief that chronic victims need to
examine their own patterns of behavior.

"I tend not to blame the innocent person," she said.

Brown said she's not blaming women, she's trying to help potential
targets gain the insight to protect themselves.

"Any one of us could make a bad choice one time and realize a mistake
and correct it," Brown said. "I'm talking about women with chronic
patterns. My belief is you can't change what you can't name."


EIGHT ROUTES TO DANGER

*The Permanent Clinger:* He's sensitive, maybe even meek and mild, and,
like you, he's been hurt. He's nice -but a bottomless pit of neediness.
If you try to leave (difficult, because you hate to hurt his feelings)
he'll scream, cry and threaten self-harm.

# *Strategy:* If you suspect a clinger, slow down the relationship and see
how he responds. If he freaks, beware.

*The Parental Seeker:* He's just a big, overgrown kid - and not in a
good way. You'll have to wait on him, make all the decisions and feed
his ego. His biggest contribution to family life will be playing with
the children.

# *Strategy:* Quickly scope out how well he functions - at work and in
life. Underachievement is a symptom. Don't confuse rescuing for intimacy.

*The Emotionally Unavailable Man:* He'll happily string you along, even
though he's married, engaged or so committed to career or hobbies that
you'll always come last. He seems exciting, charming and fun-loving at
first, but guys like him send more women to counseling than most other
dangerous types.

# *Strategy:* The minute you find out he's married, end it, for your own
integrity and peace of mind. If he spends all his time on other
interests, ask yourself: Where's his commitment to me?

*The Man With the Hidden Life:* By the time you learn of his hidden wife
and kids, secret addiction or criminal history, you'll probably be well
into the relationship. Most of these tricksters are "combo-pack" men who
fit more than one of the eight categories. They have addictions, mental
health issues, predatory instincts and emotional unavailability.

# *Strategy:* Get nosy. Ask persistent questions if something feels off.
These men thrive on trusting, unquestioning women.

*The Mentally Ill Man:* This is a sensitive issue because of the stigma
that unfairly surrounds mental illness. Many upstanding men and women
manage their conditions well. But the disorders usually are chronic and
can potentially pose a variety of dangers, especially if the person
resists treatment.

# *Strategy:* Educate yourself about mental illness. Did you know severe
depression can lead to psychotic behavior? That people with borderline
personality disorder are the most likely to attempt suicide? So says
Brown, adding that unmedicated bipolars in a manic phase are at the
highest risk for dangerous and illegal behavior.

*The Addict:* Besides the obvious addictions to drugs, alcohol, gambling
and sex, this group includes seemingly productive behavior, such as
compulsive overwork. All addictions are life-disrupting. An estimated 80
percent of domestic violence occurs when people are under the influence
of drugs or alcohol.

# *Strategy:* Don't try to cure him. Cycles of addiction can take years to
play out, and addicts often switch from one addiction to another.
Examine your own family history; women often fail to see addicts coming
because they've grown up around the behavior and it seems normal.

*The Abusive or Violent Man:* Don't expect these guys to smack you
around on the first date - it often takes months or years for their
behavior to escalate. It starts with boundary violations that go
unchecked. These men have issues with power and control and are
incapable of an equality-based relationship. Abuse isn't only physical -
it can be emotional, verbal, spiritual, financial or sexual - and it
always gets worse.

# *Strategy:* Leave after the first episode and don't go back. To gauge if
he really wants a healthy relationship, keep your distance and insist he
go to solo counseling for six months. "I can count on one hand how many
men have actually followed through on this," Brown says. Consider
background checks of prospective dates.

*The Emotional Predator:* These men can be lethal. They have a sixth
sense for lonely, vulnerable women and boast they can scan a room and
"sense" the best targets, often picking up on eye and body language.
They have antisocial personalities and they smoothly morph,
chameleon-like, into whatever they think you're looking for.

# *Strategy:* Don't reveal too much about yourself when you're getting to
know a man. Ask him about himself instead of letting him pump you for
clues to your psyche. As one predator told Brown, "I look for naïve
women. I like a certain vulnerability to her - that she trusts humanity
without asking for proof." Scary, huh? In short, keep up your guard.

-- from Sandra Brown's /How to Spot a Dangerous Man/


RESOURCES

www.saferelationships.com : Sandra
Brown's web site, with links and a Q & A.

www.kccadv.org/ : Web site of the King County
Coalition Against Domestic Violence, a vast repository of educational
articles, warning signs and community resources.

www.newbegin.org : New Beginnings, in Seattle,
offers emergency shelter, support and education, legal advocacy and
other services to women in domestic violence situations. The phone
number for its 24-hour crisis line is 206-522-9472.

A Toolkit for Healing from Abusive Relationships (including verbal
abuse): A new women's support group forming this month on Queen Anne.
For more information, call 206-216-5957.

"The Gift of Fear and Other Survival Signals that Protect Us From
Violence," by Gavin de Becker (Dell, 372 pages, $7.99)

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/P-I reporter Cecelia Goodnow can be reached at 206-448-8353 or
ceceliagoodnow@seattlepi.com. /

/*© 1998-2005 Seattle Post-Intelligencer*/

[Miss Teak]

You affect each person you meat this is a fact, they respond to it and they think about it.

I always try to affect the people I meat

[Boston]

Sorry to be gone so long, as if anyone misssed me, lol,,,...,.,.,.,.,.,.,

i have moved my issues to another location,,, as you might have percieved........and i will be responding to attacks there and meaningful comments (there have been a few)..........

but i will never back down from the idea that this issue is highly pertinent to self defense and martial arts........this issue has everything to do with why women take martial arts less than men even if they are smaller and would thus need it more than men.......and it has everyhting to about who we expect to be attacked by,,,.,.,.,.,.,., and why we would think that men are more likely to attack us than women...........

just the other day a postal worker wooman from california went and killed coworkers and a neighbor........if you had been naive enough to think that you were safe cuz women never do that sort of thing, guess again, now they do, its an equality kind of thingie.........

[SamuraiGuy]

I say the guy with the eye patch, hooks for hands, and tatoo of a man stabbing a knife into a woman on the back of his skull is one you might want to watch out for....

[Miss Teak]

I say the guy with the eye patch, hooks for hands, and tatoo of a man stabbing a knife into a woman on the back of his skull is one you might want to watch out for....

..I don't know.. kinda sounds like a hot date.

[gregimotis]

..I don't know.. kinda sounds like a hot date.

"Hey buddy, get yer meathooks off me - err, I mean on me!"