MT: Very emotional

[Sagacious Lu]

Well, if she's the 'mother' then....

It's not really my style but I don't read into it. I see what you're saying but I don't take it seriously it's just a joke.

[jubaji]

try to keep up

How so

Well, if she's the 'mother' then....

[Sagacious Lu]

Wouldn't that just be an endorsement of masturbation?

How so

[Sagacious Lu]

it lacks integrity lu. would you want your wife wearing a shirt that says mom id like to **** while she is pushing your baby in the stroller?
when u see those douchebags wearing " big johnson" t shirts do you think its funny and cool or do you think they are jackoffs for wearing that shit?

It depends entirely on the context. My friend and his wife joke all the time that she's a MILF- and why not, they're just having a laugh. Would I want her wearing it to my company picnic or to Thanksgiving diner with my parents? Of course not. But if she thought it was funny and wanted to wear it out roller-blading in the park or to a poker game I don't see the harm- I think it's silly but so what? It's just a dirty joke on a t-shirt. At the wrong time in the wrong place it's in poor taste but I don't think you can judge someone's integrity by their clothes. Actually, I think if you pass judgement on a woman and look down on her because she's wearing something revealing than you're just as guilty of objectifying women as the guy that treats women like pieces of meat. You can't judge a person based on their appearance. There are plenty of strong, honest, intelligent, hard working women who like being sexy. I don't see anything wrong with that provided it's done in the right place at the right time.

[jubaji]

Does this mean that they don't have self respect, or does it just mean that they have a sense of humor?

Wouldn't that just be an endorsement of masturbation?

[3mptin3ss]

Does this mean that they don't have self respect, or does it just mean that they have a sense of humor?

it lacks integrity lu. would you want your wife wearing a shirt that says mom id like to **** while she is pushing your baby in the stroller?


when u see those douchebags wearing " big johnson" t shirts do you think its funny and cool or do you think they are jackoffs for wearing that shit?

[3mptin3ss]

The last two waves of feminism are rushing back out to sea, and the high-water mark of the first one is in danger. As we become more conservative, more pornified, and more heartless commodifiers of everything it won't get better any time soon.

With the resurgence of truly reactionary theocratic conservatism in the US there is more talk of "traditional values" which means less support for women's civil rights, less willingness to help them overcome the effects of discrimmination and more emphasis on making them some sort of 1950s fantasy Stepford Wives. We already see movements to help the poor oppressed boys because they are no longer ahead of girls academically. It's become fashionable to excuse women's lack of advancement in professions as their biological fault. And feminism has been so effectively smeared and slandered that many women whose actual positions are classic third-wave feminist are afraid to so identify.

Take a look at How the Pro-Choice Movement Saved America. It's not just about the abortion issue. There are strong currents at work to undo the more equitable relations between men and women, outlaw contraception, suppress women's sexuality entirely and go back to an era when men ruled their wives "as Christ rules the Church". There are no women at any point in their reproductive lives who remember a time when birth control wasn't available, when it was considered wrong for women to have sexual needs of their own or when most professions and full civil rights were barred to them by custom or law. The people who want to undo all of that have the ear of the White House and Congress and make government policy.

Now, I am not against porn or prostitution per se. Legality, regulation and vicious penalties for coercion, abuse or human trafficking are about the best we can do. Besides, fantasies and arousal are basically Good Things(tm). And as long as it's illegal the women and children caught up in the trade are werewolf bait and can't go to the police when they are victims of violence or exploitation.

But there's more than that. With stripping mainstream - a local free weekly advertises poledancing aerobics for "everywoman" - and pr0n to suit any taste immediately available we are seeing a nearly unprecedented commodification of sexuality and plenty of education in unrealistic expectations and fairly nasty behavior for the impressionable. Much has been written by liberals and conservatives on the subject, and many of them are in surprising agreement. It filters down to teen and pre-teen girls. I've seen ten year olds playing at stripping moves. And I must admit to experiencing near physical pain at the shock. Pimps, the meanest form of semi-human life, lower than whale shit, are trendy. In my neighborhood it's not uncommon for boys to refer to girls as ho's and the girls to stand for it.

I won't risk melting the server by giving my opinions of sites like "Hot or Not" and their effects on the young and insecure.

Sex is good, and romance is over-rated, but if everything is reduced to a cold commercial transaction we've sacrificed one of the most precious and intimate parts of our humanity on the altar of The Dollar. We are infinitely poorer for it. If there isn't room for love the rest is just monkeys rubbing mucous membranes together. Poetry and song are the vehicles for expressing the deep desire to be special, to be someone's beloved and adored. Every girl has the right to be considered more than a hole for someone's penis.

" Feminism is a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians." - Pat Robertson.

[Sagacious Lu]

ive seen mothers wearing shirts that say MILF ( Mom I'd Like to ****) on them as they are pushing their strollers.

Does this mean that they don't have self respect, or does it just mean that they have a sense of humor?

[jubaji]

With the resurgence of truly reactionary theocratic conservatism in the US there is more talk of "traditional values" which means less support for women's civil rights, less willingness to help them overcome the effects of discrimmination and more emphasis on making them some sort of 1950s fantasy Stepford Wives. .

Utter nonsense. America has always been a country where the majority of people are religious, and women have more equality and opportunity today than ever before. Don't cloud the issue with liberal double-speak.

[tellner]

The last two waves of feminism are rushing back out to sea, and the high-water mark of the first one is in danger. As we become more conservative, more pornified, and more heartless commodifiers of everything it won't get better any time soon.

With the resurgence of truly reactionary theocratic conservatism in the US there is more talk of "traditional values" which means less support for women's civil rights, less willingness to help them overcome the effects of discrimmination and more emphasis on making them some sort of 1950s fantasy Stepford Wives. We already see movements to help the poor oppressed boys because they are no longer ahead of girls academically. It's become fashionable to excuse women's lack of advancement in professions as their biological fault. And feminism has been so effectively smeared and slandered that many women whose actual positions are classic third-wave feminist are afraid to so identify.

Take a look at How the Pro-Choice Movement Saved America. It's not just about the abortion issue. There are strong currents at work to undo the more equitable relations between men and women, outlaw contraception, suppress women's sexuality entirely and go back to an era when men ruled their wives "as Christ rules the Church". There are no women at any point in their reproductive lives who remember a time when birth control wasn't available, when it was considered wrong for women to have sexual needs of their own or when most professions and full civil rights were barred to them by custom or law. The people who want to undo all of that have the ear of the White House and Congress and make government policy.

Now, I am not against porn or prostitution per se. Legality, regulation and vicious penalties for coercion, abuse or human trafficking are about the best we can do. Besides, fantasies and arousal are basically Good Things(tm). And as long as it's illegal the women and children caught up in the trade are werewolf bait and can't go to the police when they are victims of violence or exploitation.

But there's more than that. With stripping mainstream - a local free weekly advertises poledancing aerobics for "everywoman" - and pr0n to suit any taste immediately available we are seeing a nearly unprecedented commodification of sexuality and plenty of education in unrealistic expectations and fairly nasty behavior for the impressionable. Much has been written by liberals and conservatives on the subject, and many of them are in surprising agreement. It filters down to teen and pre-teen girls. I've seen ten year olds playing at stripping moves. And I must admit to experiencing near physical pain at the shock. Pimps, the meanest form of semi-human life, lower than whale shit, are trendy. In my neighborhood it's not uncommon for boys to refer to girls as ho's and the girls to stand for it.

I won't risk melting the server by giving my opinions of sites like "Hot or Not" and their effects on the young and insecure.

Sex is good, and romance is over-rated, but if everything is reduced to a cold commercial transaction we've sacrificed one of the most precious and intimate parts of our humanity on the altar of The Dollar. We are infinitely poorer for it. If there isn't room for love the rest is just monkeys rubbing mucous membranes together. Poetry and song are the vehicles for expressing the deep desire to be special, to be someone's beloved and adored. Every girl has the right to be considered more than a hole for someone's penis.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Dutch antilles girls 14-18 years old in the southeast of Amsterdam having sex for a couple of breezers or 5-10 euro, they just see it as way to get something extra

[Tom Yum]

man i seriously fucking agree with this topic....its so hard to find a nice, good girl theses days...THEYVE ALL BEEN AROUND!!

All things being equal, its heart and personality that count the most.

[jubaji]

Overreaction and double-standard

[white devil]

man i seriously fucking agree with this topic....its so hard to find a nice good girl theses days...THEYVE ALL BEEN AROUND!!

I mean.. you dont mind this kind of stuff when ur looking to get laid,but when that same kind of stuff will happen to ur sister u'll see!

[Little Apple]

Sad. I saw panties in the little girl's section that said "eye candy" on them.