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    As my family has been victimized by murder, I am no stranger to the study of violence. I learned how to fire a handgun into a man's chest in three quarters of a second. I BS you not. My shooting instructor, an Army CSM with 27 years of experience, more than half of those in pistol instruction, mentioned me by name in the local gun stores. Apparently he described me as well, because I had a gun shop owner asking if I was who I was. Upon answering in the affirmative, he proceeded to tell me that he'd heard I was a d*** good shot.

    All this to establish my credibility.

    My first experience with hand-to-hand combat was in 2004, when I borrowed from a friend an old Marine hand-to-hand book, dated 1993. It featured elbow-reversals, shoulder locks, striking, breakfalls, and a lot of useful things.

    I made this my principle fighting system.

    I noted glaring holes in the style though, and picked up other martial arts to fill those holes. I was left with a system that barely resembled the Marine system. I adapted Taekwondo's powerful and stylish kicks, Brazilian Jiu-jitsu's leveraging and unbeatable ground-work, Kali's knowledge of knives, and the powerful striking of Muay Thai.

    My girlfriend, a short Hispanic girl with a purple belt in Taekwondo and two years of training in the art could barely touch me when we sparred.

    I taught her my system, and I've watched her use it to drop people quite a bit larger then her. She especially is a fan of the wristlock, as my need for surgery in my left wrist will attest.

    Seeing how successful my girlfriend was in learning my system and applying it, I wanted to begin teaching.

    Just one problem: no one would take me seriously.

    Why? Because I didn't have a black belt, I wasn't considered to be any good at fighting. The week after the guy told me this, I tackled a First Dan in Taekwondo, and choked him half into unconsciousness. Upon regaining his senes, he said he'd had no idea what hit him, that I was too fast and well trained enough to get under and around everything he threw at me.

    So, here's my point of this.

    It would seem that no one takes a fighter seriously unless he holds a black belt, at least where I live. I defeated black belt after black belt, but people chalked that up to either luck or the black belt going easy on me.

    I truly believed and still believe that I have a good, simple style, that fulfills all needs of a women's self-defense system. It's fast, doesn't rely on catching punches and all the fantastical stuff like one-step that I saw in TKD, and can be executed by a relatively weak person (I'm 6', 136lb., and my g/f is 5'5", 110 +-5lb.).

    I've given up attempting an organized class, and train anybody who asks. For free.

    I believe that you cannot put a price on human life, and so I don't charge money to those who want to learn.

    Some friends of mine have invited me to start a school in three years, and we'll be teaching my system plus a variety of other styles.

    Bear in mind, women, that a lot of people who claim to be black-belts and spout off about their years of experience, are full of crap. Fifteen years of experience against my two, and I won easily. It's not how long you train or what color your belt is that matters.

    What matters is, can you survive the most critical ten seconds of your life.

    In the Army they taught us that nearly all close combat encounters last seconds, not a three-minute round.

    Don't be impressed by a black belt or a lot of 'experience'. Years of bad experience are experience in doing things wrong.

    (P.S. Before I get into hot water with all the karate and TKD practitioners out there, know that my sister was a brown in Shotokan. She's dead. Murdered. Years of training meant nothing. I don't trust the old Asian systems. Don't try to convince me otherwise, because I don't need to hear it.)

    Thank you.

  • #2
    Nighstalker14: You are a very angry young man. I can partially understand why, but I have not walked in your moccasins in the full sense of the meaning. I have a nephew who was near and dear to me who was murdered the summer before last. You are invited to send me a private message to begin a dialogue. I have a few things for you to consider. The contents will be private. You may get some words of wisdom from others here, and I hope they help.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by NightStalker14 View Post
      As my family has been victimized by murder, I am no stranger to the study of violence. I learned how to fire a handgun into a man's chest in three quarters of a second. I BS you not. My shooting instructor, an Army CSM with 27 years of experience, more than half of those in pistol instruction, mentioned me by name in the local gun stores. Apparently he described me as well, because I had a gun shop owner asking if I was who I was. Upon answering in the affirmative, he proceeded to tell me that he'd heard I was a d*** good shot.
      You could be a really great shot and a certifiable bad ass but what's the point of trying to sell yourself on this forum, especially with such a long story?

      Most of us (self-included) are just a bunch of guys who like to train. That's about it.

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      • #4
        I'm having a bad day... chose to vent about the first thing that came to mind.

        Sorry.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by NightStalker14 View Post
          I'm having a bad day... chose to vent about the first thing that came to mind. Sorry.
          No problem.

          Sit down and I'll throw you a cold one from the cooler!

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          • #6
            Hahaha, I'll take you up on that anyday.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by NightStalker14 View Post
              As my family has been victimized by murder, I am no stranger to the study of violence. I learned how to fire a handgun into a man's chest in three quarters of a second. I BS you not. My shooting instructor, an Army CSM with 27 years of experience, more than half of those in pistol instruction, mentioned me by name in the local gun stores. Apparently he described me as well, because I had a gun shop owner asking if I was who I was. Upon answering in the affirmative, he proceeded to tell me that he'd heard I was a d*** good shot.

              All this to establish my credibility.

              My first experience with hand-to-hand combat was in 2004, when I borrowed from a friend an old Marine hand-to-hand book, dated 1993. It featured elbow-reversals, shoulder locks, striking, breakfalls, and a lot of useful things.

              I made this my principle fighting system.

              I noted glaring holes in the style though, and picked up other martial arts to fill those holes. I was left with a system that barely resembled the Marine system. I adapted Taekwondo's powerful and stylish kicks, Brazilian Jiu-jitsu's leveraging and unbeatable ground-work, Kali's knowledge of knives, and the powerful striking of Muay Thai.

              My girlfriend, a short Hispanic girl with a purple belt in Taekwondo and two years of training in the art could barely touch me when we sparred.

              I taught her my system, and I've watched her use it to drop people quite a bit larger then her. She especially is a fan of the wristlock, as my need for surgery in my left wrist will attest.

              Seeing how successful my girlfriend was in learning my system and applying it, I wanted to begin teaching.

              Just one problem: no one would take me seriously.

              Why? Because I didn't have a black belt, I wasn't considered to be any good at fighting. The week after the guy told me this, I tackled a First Dan in Taekwondo, and choked him half into unconsciousness. Upon regaining his senes, he said he'd had no idea what hit him, that I was too fast and well trained enough to get under and around everything he threw at me.

              So, here's my point of this.

              It would seem that no one takes a fighter seriously unless he holds a black belt, at least where I live. I defeated black belt after black belt, but people chalked that up to either luck or the black belt going easy on me.

              I truly believed and still believe that I have a good, simple style, that fulfills all needs of a women's self-defense system. It's fast, doesn't rely on catching punches and all the fantastical stuff like one-step that I saw in TKD, and can be executed by a relatively weak person (I'm 6', 136lb., and my g/f is 5'5", 110 +-5lb.).

              I've given up attempting an organized class, and train anybody who asks. For free.

              I believe that you cannot put a price on human life, and so I don't charge money to those who want to learn.

              Some friends of mine have invited me to start a school in three years, and we'll be teaching my system plus a variety of other styles.

              Bear in mind, women, that a lot of people who claim to be black-belts and spout off about their years of experience, are full of crap. Fifteen years of experience against my two, and I won easily. It's not how long you train or what color your belt is that matters.

              What matters is, can you survive the most critical ten seconds of your life.

              In the Army they taught us that nearly all close combat encounters last seconds, not a three-minute round.

              Don't be impressed by a black belt or a lot of 'experience'. Years of bad experience are experience in doing things wrong.

              (P.S. Before I get into hot water with all the karate and TKD practitioners out there, know that my sister was a brown in Shotokan. She's dead. Murdered. Years of training meant nothing. I don't trust the old Asian systems. Don't try to convince me otherwise, because I don't need to hear it.)

              Thank you.
              Sorry to hear about your sister. My deepest condolences.

              If you were really in the Army then you know nothing can stop a well executed Ambush. That makes you sound like a fraud talking all out of your head here. You should check out another site; it's called www.bullshido.net. Come back after you study up a little. You're a Fraud.

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              • #8
                Yes, it's true that an ambush is extremely deadly and very hard to survive. In the context of self-defense, the surprise of an ambush attack is why I don't believe in weapon disarms.

                If you imply that my sister died because of an ambush, you're correct. It's hard to stop shotgun rounds from three directions, no matter how good you are or where you studied.

                But because she trained in karate, and was killed, I suppose you could say I have a sort of distrust for karate. Maybe it's unfair, but after witnessing other martial arts used against it, I'm inclined to believe that it's combat ineffective.

                As for being a fraud, I'm not here to tell you what to believe or what not to. I'm deleting this thread soon because I believe it was a mistake, looking back. I don't claim to know anything that nobody else knows. All my training was above-board; I have no 'dirty prison-fighting secrets' like the guy on the site you posted above.

                My only problem is with the establishment of family-friendly martial arts schools that place too much emphasis on the black belt and not enough on realistic, effective techniques. I beat practitioners at these places again and again, not by some super-secret CIA fighting style like I see advertised on the internet all the time, but by just using simple stuff.

                I believe that my original point, however misrepresented I made it, was that people shouldn't trust 'black belts' with their lives without making sure the martial artist in question is capable of teaching a simple, powerful system.

                I've seen plenty of women get duped into believing that by learning a martial art they can overcome any attacker, and that's just not the way it works.

                Take care of yourselves.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by NightStalker14 View Post
                  Yes, it's true that an ambush is extremely deadly and very hard to survive. In the context of self-defense, the surprise of an ambush attack is why I don't believe in weapon disarms.

                  If you imply that my sister died because of an ambush, you're correct. It's hard to stop shotgun rounds from three directions, no matter how good you are or where you studied.

                  But because she trained in karate, and was killed, I suppose you could say I have a sort of distrust for karate. Maybe it's unfair, but after witnessing other martial arts used against it, I'm inclined to believe that it's combat ineffective.

                  As for being a fraud, I'm not here to tell you what to believe or what not to. I'm deleting this thread soon because I believe it was a mistake, looking back. I don't claim to know anything that nobody else knows. All my training was above-board; I have no 'dirty prison-fighting secrets' like the guy on the site you posted above.

                  My only problem is with the establishment of family-friendly martial arts schools that place too much emphasis on the black belt and not enough on realistic, effective techniques. I beat practitioners at these places again and again, not by some super-secret CIA fighting style like I see advertised on the internet all the time, but by just using simple stuff.

                  I believe that my original point, however misrepresented I made it, was that people shouldn't trust 'black belts' with their lives without making sure the martial artist in question is capable of teaching a simple, powerful system.

                  I've seen plenty of women get duped into believing that by learning a martial art they can overcome any attacker, and that's just not the way it works.

                  Take care of yourselves.
                  No need to delete this thread it's just an intellectual discussion. Your philosophy of Black belts is right in line with the system of Krav Magra. You think just like the km people do. It's o.k.

                  Re: Shotokan Karate, if you do a search you will find a ton of discussions here in the Japanese forum. Both pro and con.

                  Best of Luck and sorry about Your sister again.

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                  • #10
                    Heh, would it shock you if I said I distrusted Krav Maga just as much?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by NightStalker14 View Post
                      Heh, would it shock you if I said I distrusted Krav Maga just as much?
                      Would it shock you if more women preferred boxers over briefs?

                      But the million dollar question is if given a choice, which would Jesus wear and why? The point here is that we fill our mind with frivalous decisions rather than the more important ones..

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                      • #12
                        [quote=Tom Yum;240149]Would it shock you if more women preferred boxers over briefs?
                        [QUOTE]

                        I'll have to remember that.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Tom Yum View Post
                          Would it shock you if more women preferred boxers over briefs?
                          I'll have to remember that.

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                          • #14
                            Sorry for your loss but in your thinking process u described , u have some good and some wrong ideas .
                            1.Comparing open hand styles to Guns.[no go]
                            2.Blaming Karate for the loss your family member or any other style.
                            3.What u see in the Gyms ,dojo's and so on will not be replicated on the street u might be in for a surprise.
                            4.Woman don't fight the same as men so if your girlfriend can use tactics against girls cool won't nessesarily work on men.
                            5.What makes your style so good.
                            Use of speed,use of power,use of your apponent,use of conditioned bodyparts,use of weapons.

                            So if these questions make u realise u have something that is not 100% then that is good because there is no one style that can defend against all.
                            Martial arts is like fitness - if u are a good runner u are not nessesary a good swimmer so u have to be contempt with the fact that if u fight someone with a weapon u might loose because u practice hand to hand.

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                            • #15
                              My hats off to you. Im noticing that people are quick to call u a fraud and i say to that,,,you are doing nothing more than the acient asians did when they created their disciplines. Take Bruce Lee for instance,,he encountered the same oppisition when he created Jeet Kune Do. But he never gave up and neither should you,,,I believe that self defense is a wonderful skill to have and there are too few people like yourself who question its effectiveness.

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