late night musing

[Red Rum]

Hmmm yeah considering I work for the Metropolitan Police in the UK, I think I know stats on crime my dear....

And if it helps - my friend was mugged two days ago, and guess what - he was with a friend!!

'a friend and i went to see comedy and sing karaoke. afterwards, i offered to walk her to her car. she said she was going to walk me to my car, because she outranked me'

This statement made it appear that you were being walked to the car for a physical confrontation. If I read it wrong I apologize. However, my comments were generic - I said...
'I just don't like the automatic assumption that exists in the world today..'
I didn't say
'I just don't like your assumption that..'

[treelizard]

In one of your posts you wrote

If you are both that good at martial arts, do you really need to be escorted to your cars?

That type of attitude will get you killed in the streets, especially if you really are a cop.

You also wrote

If he has a gun. It is just a case of boom boom. It doesn't matter whether you have a person with you.

That would indicate a lack of knowledge of both criminal behavior and stats on crime, my dear.

And if it helps - my friend was mugged two days ago, and guess what - he was with a friend!!

That would be an anecdotal story that is statistically irrelevant. Guess your friend was in the 6.3% (or whatever it is in London.) I'm sure he made other tactical errors as well.

(It's not all about statistics, though. I will say that if my friend is walking me to my car and I am attacked or I am walking her to her car and she is attacked, there will be multiple victims.)

This statement made it appear that you were being walked to the car for a physical confrontation.

No, I'm being walked to my car (or walking someone to her car) to decrease the likelihood of a physical confrontation. I'm sorry you don't like the statistics that "you think you know" which indicate that people are less likely to be approached or assaulted in groups, but that's the way it is.

I do find it interesting that you think it's problematic for people to be aware of the fact that they are less likely to be assaulted in groups, yet it's okay to believe you are invincible simply because you have a bit of martial arts training.

However, my comments were generic - I said...

No but your whole post implied that walking you to your car would somehow make you safer. I just don't like the automatic assumption

That's not a generic statement. Quit backpedalling.

[Red Rum]

In one of your posts you wrote

That type of attitude will get you killed in the streets, especially if you really are a cop..

Nonsense. Martial arts have saved my life more times than I can remember. When I was younger and went around in groups, mates would either flee, get in the way, draw muggers towards you (by having flashy jewellry/phones etc)or make you concerned about their safety too

You also wrote

That would indicate a lack of knowledge of both criminal behavior and stats on crime, my dear...

Why? I was saying that if you have two people with you it is a case of two bullets instead of one.

That would be an anecdotal story that is statistically irrelevant. Guess your friend was in the 6.3% (or whatever it is in London.) I'm sure he made other tactical errors as well.

(It's not all about statistics, though. I will say that if my friend is walking me to my car and I am attacked or I am walking her to her car and she is attacked, there will be multiple victims.)

There was no tactical error. They were mugged in broad daylight down a busy road.

No, I'm being walked to my car (or walking someone to her car) to decrease the likelihood of a physical confrontation. I'm sorry you don't like the statistics that "you think you know" which indicate that people are less likely to be approached or assaulted in groups, but that's the way it is.

If you are with a large group then yes I agree, but i have still been assaulted when I have been in a large group.
The trouble is that in England, if you are in a group you have technically not been attacked and it will be classified as an assault that both parties are equally involved in (ie it is seen as a fight where everyone is guilty)

The criminals that I deal with would surprise you. They often like to attack people in twos or threes as it is three times the reward.

And what about Americas problems with gun toting nutters going into schools and wiping people out. Columbine and the recent one. They didn't care how many people were in there (well they actually targeted the larger polulus deliberatley)

I think you are focusing on singular attacks such as rape/assault which accounts for about 9% of crime in the UK, as opposed to muggings/personal robbery etc which make up around 64% of crime in the UK

[QUOTE=treelizard;273746]
I do find it interesting that you think it's problematic for people to be aware of the fact that they are less likely to be assaulted in groups, yet it's okay to believe you are invincible simply because you have a bit of martial arts training.[QUOTE=treelizard;273746]

Didn't say invincible. But for me I would rather be very very good at martial arts (which some say I am) and be able to use it, than have a person with me

I was trying to shatter people's illusions that they are safe in groups. They are not.
If someone wants to attack then they will.

[QUOTE=treelizard;273746]
That's not a generic statement. Quit backpedalling[QUOTE=treelizard;273746]
You have cut this quote out -
'No but your whole post implied that walking you to your car would somehow make you safer. I just don't like the automatic assumption'

Why have you only cut the quote to this far? You have missed out the end of that sentence.
The first part was aimed at you. Your original (first) post seemed to imply that you needed to be walked to your car. My next statement which was
'I just don't like the automatic assumption that exists in the world today..'

THAT is generic.....

Now cook me my tea

[treelizard]

When I was younger and went around in groups, mates would either flee, get in the way, draw muggers towards you (by having flashy jewellry/phones etc)or make you concerned about their safety too

Sounds like you're hanging out with the wrong crowd.

I think you are focusing on singular attacks such as rape/assault which accounts for about 9% of crime in the UK, as opposed to muggings/personal robbery etc which make up around 64% of crime in the UK

Actually if you had looked at the stats I posted you would see that it included rape and assault as well as robbery and muggings.

I was trying to shatter people's illusions that they are safe in groups. They are not.

People are safer in groups. In fact, the real cops I saw when I lived in England were always in groups, hmmm, I wonder why?

Now cook me my tea

Cook your own tea.

[Red Rum]

Sounds like you're hanging out with the wrong crowd..

As I said, this was when I was younger. But even good friends will run. Even now I don't hang out with martial artists when I'm out. If you do, you are sad

Actually if you had looked at the stats I posted you would see that it included rape and assault as well as robbery and muggings..

Not too bothered about your stats - I do this for a living dude. And if you doubt my role, private email me and I will give you further details

People are safer in groups. In fact, the real cops I saw when I lived in England were always in groups, hmmm, I wonder why?.

This is for protection of officers in the sense of witnessing actions. If an officer is alone and makes a coment, it is his word against the persons. A second person is needed for court purposes etc.

But in days of old (before police actions came under scrutiny), it always used to be one bobby on the beat

Cook your own tea.

No I want my tea now...

[treelizard]

This is for protection of officers in the sense of witnessing actions. If an officer is alone and makes a coment, it is his word against the persons. A second person is needed for court purposes etc.

Yes, of course, that is the only reason. And this would never be an issue for non-officers.

I do doubt your roll, but not enough to private e-mail you.

[treelizard]

At least we know that if people take your lame advice, they could be in that 93.7%.

[Red Rum]

At least we know that if people take your lame advice, they could be in that 93.7%.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't go round in big groups, but people shouldn't be fooled into thinking that this will protect them. Some people will not wait til you're alone

'Yes, of course, that is the only reason. And this would never be an issue for non-officers.'

I am not sure what you are saying about it never being an issue for non-officers? It wouldn't be an issue. But that is the reason that they travel in pairs. Otherwise - why do they not travel in threes, fours etc

'I do doubt your roll, but not enough to private e-mail you.'

Well then, don't argue. If you haven't got the guts to follow through

[treelizard]

I'm not saying that you shouldn't go round in big groups, but people shouldn't be fooled into thinking that this will protect them. Some people will not wait til you're alone

Actually, all of your anecdotal stories of "I got mugged when I was in a group, because my friends were dumb, but I was okay alone" imply that you do think people shouldn't go round in big groups... You are a trip.

I am not sure what you are saying about it never being an issue for non-officers? It wouldn't be an issue. But that is the reason that they travel in pairs. Otherwise - why do they not travel in threes, fours etc

Yeah, nobody else would ever need a witness. Wow. Your lack of knowledge is startling.

'I do doubt your roll, but not enough to private e-mail you.'

Well then, don't argue. If you haven't got the guts to follow through

It's not a guts thing, it's that I'm not really interested in what you have to say. Either you're a compulsive liar, or a really dumb copper. In either case, I only message people who I'm actually interested in talking to.

[Red Rum]

Actually, all of your anecdotal stories of "I got mugged when I was in a group, because my friends were dumb, but I was okay alone" imply that you do think people shouldn't go round in big groups... You are a trip..

Not at all. I just said that the guys I hung around with got in the way and made it more problematic, so I would prefer to confront someone on my own, one on one

Yeah, nobody else would ever need a witness. Wow. Your lack of knowledge is startling..

Why would an average person need a witness? A cop is subject to scrutiny every day. If he steps out of line with a member of the public, it is a serious thing and he will be up in front of his Inspector
If he has no witnesses, he is pretty much buggered.
A member oof the public doesn't need this as they are not subject to the same rules

It's not a guts thing, it's that I'm not really interested in what you have to say. Either you're a compulsive liar, or a really dumb copper. In either case, I only message people who I'm actually interested in talking to.

Yeah... dumb copper... says the girl who started a thread about people walking in heels. Yeah good one
If I wanted to lie, I could have made up a much more impressive lie, trust me.

But I have read your previous posts, and I see that your basically an idiot
Originally I thought you were just inexperienced or bitter about guys being better than you in martial arts. But it is clear to see that you are just clueless

[treelizard]

You not understanding why an average person might need a witness further demonstrates your extreme lack of knowledge about the justice system.

I love it that the guys I train with are better than me in martial arts. Otherwise I wouldn't learn as much. Nice try though.

[jubaji]

If you are both that good at martial arts, do you really need to be escorted to your cars?

What difference are two people going to make if you are attacked with a weapon? You still have to approach it the same way!!

I hope you are kidding.

[jubaji]

But I have read your previous posts, and I see that your basically an idiot Originally I thought you were just inexperienced or bitter about guys being better than you in martial arts. But it is clear to see that you are just clueless

Are you fuckin' kidding? STFU kid.

[Red Rum]

Oh it makes sense - Treelizard is dating Jubajii

[GranFire]

as entertaining a good fight is...*scratches head*

What just happened here?