Womens self defense, or MMA grappling?

[Tom Yum]

I have a friend who's competed in women's MMA matches; of course she also has a concealed carry permit. 9 mm beats an eye gouge every last time.

Pistols are probably more effective in medium ranges or where you have a barrier that gives you time to draw? I'm thinking of a scenrio where you come upon your car being broken into or where you have enough time to draw and potentially fire. Most of us aren't that quick at drawing and we're not always able to put 2 in the chest and 1 in the head.

I think edged weapons are the king of close quarter combat with empty-handed methods as a good follow up. They're more quiet (unless the pistol is supressed), probably more available assuming you can improvise something to make it an edged weapon and every bit an equalizer as a pistol.

A CIA study shows that a determined, untrained individual with a blade can strike a security-trained pistol weilder within a 50 foot radius.

[Sagacious Lu]

I have a friend who's competed in women's MMA matches; of course she also has a concealed carry permit. 9 mm beats an eye gouge every last time.

[jubaji]

Some technique is involved and angles of the body etc .Also knowing how to strike and where helps.

Oh, "some," and it "helps." Fucking brilliant.

My personal views on combat lean toward the psychology of conflict. It's all about making them change their MIND.

Yes this is true, and that is why the element of surprise is very effective particularly for women. If the attacker thinks that she is a push over he will possibly let his guard down just enough for the woman to attack and escape. Just attacking the vital points is not always enough. Some technique is involved and angles of the body etc .Also knowing how to strike and where helps. But the mindset of the woman is important, her attitude. is she going to just lay down and be raped and then kills possibly, or is she going to fight back and escape.

[Tant01]

How "sure" are you?

Yes we can agree on that.



By the way eye gouges do not need to kill or groin attacks, or throat attacks or finger breaks joint attack=s etc. These are not lethal if done right. If a person attacks the eyes that will most of the time leave the person with red and sore eyes and in pain, but not kill them. I am sure in a legal situation a smaller woman being raped by a larger man will be justified if she attacks the eyes. this is a natural reaction for women in such situations and I am sure the judge would see it as so. I am sure that some women have attacked the eyes who have no martial skill at all and escaped.

But you talk of reasonable actions, and then you mention training with "deadly weapons", i assume you mean a knife? I think if a woman carried a knife and stabbed a mugger to death then she may have to answer for her actions more than if she clawed his face and eyes.

Also in Canada tasers and pepper spray are not allowed against people. Just carrying a taser can get you arrested I believe.




I am sure tasering a big rapist would do that and give him the opportunity to use it on her, as well as trying to use a deadly weapon, that he could also use on her. And if she doesn't get him in the eyes and he shifts away from the pepper spray then she is in more trouble.



I do not answer anything unless I believe that what I am saying is right.If a person can show me clearly that I have said or done anything wrong I will apologize quickly. I have made certain mistakes in the past, though only a few which I quickly corrected and apologized for. But not in regards to my teachings.

As far as "insisting" my answers are right, I know what I know and I will insist on proper self defense to help others. I cannot and will not compromise that. And I don't want t lie. Lying would do no good for anyone.

Greetings TC. I'm honored that you took the time to reply to my post. Thank you.

While you seem to recognize the potential for retaliation you completely miss the LAYERS of content in my words. By making a violent situation worse I meant attempting small joint manipilation, eye gouging etc.etc,etc... all have some risk. THESE techniques have a tendency to INCREASE the level of force the bad guy is willing to use. IT PISSES THEM OFF. Pepper spray falls into this risk catagory as well and the reason I mention it can be used like a hammer or fist load or stick or flail.

Of course using any illegal weapon may have consequences that make a bad situation worse. It is the reason I mention the words "self defense" being a LEGAL TERM.

Have you ever seen someone get tazed? They are nearly 100% effective.

Can't say the same for bullets...

My personal views on combat lean toward the psychology of conflict. It's all about making them change their MIND.

[Tant01]

Tough hands...

As I'm sure you know, knowing where points are and being able to strike them in a non compliant situation with the proper angles and force are two entirely different things.

All Martial art skills are dependent upon the conditioning of the mind, muscles and reflexes at a minimum without those things it isn't a martial art, its fantasy role play. Anyone advocating Animal styles in particular Tiger or Snake would be required to do EXTREME hand conditioning to make the strikes viable, people who live in the real world don't have that kind of time. Animal styles were about far more than poking someone in the eye or clawing them, when you see someone who fails to grasp this you know they're living in a movie.

Weapons still require the conditioning the same minimums but their force multiplication and learning curve make them ideal for people with less time to become self reliant for SD.

I find myself wishing reality were scripted differently. I hate bleeding and healing... LOL

Depends on your intent, eh?

Vital strikes are NOT the answer to EVERY situation. In many cases control is a SUPERIOR solution.

Yes we can agree on that.

You see "Master", self defense is a legal term to justify the use of force. It's up to a jury to decide if YOUR actions were REASONABLE (or not).

By the way eye gouges do not need to kill or groin attacks, or throat attacks or finger breaks joint attack=s etc. These are not lethal if done right. If a person attacks the eyes that will most of the time leave the person with red and sore eyes and in pain, but not kill them. I am sure in a legal situation a smaller woman being raped by a larger man will be justified if she attacks the eyes. this is a natural reaction for women in such situations and I am sure the judge would see it as so. I am sure that some women have attacked the eyes who have no martial skill at all and escaped.

But you talk of reasonable actions, and then you mention training with "deadly weapons", i assume you mean a knife? I think if a woman carried a knife and stabbed a mugger to death then she may have to answer for her actions more than if she clawed his face and eyes.

Also in Canada tasers and pepper spray are not allowed against people. Just carrying a taser can get you arrested I believe.

It seems to me a victim could do A lot of things to make a violent situation worse.

I am sure tasering a big rapist would do that and give him the opportunity to use it on her, as well as trying to use a deadly weapon, that he could also use on her. And if she doesn't get him in the eyes and he shifts away from the pepper spray then she is in more trouble.

Like trusting a kung-fu man that insists his answers are always right...

I do not answer anything unless I believe that what I am saying is right.If a person can show me clearly that I have said or done anything wrong I will apologize quickly. I have made certain mistakes in the past, though only a few which I quickly corrected and apologized for. But not in regards to my teachings.

As far as "insisting" my answers are right, I know what I know and I will insist on proper self defense to help others. I cannot and will not compromise that. And I don't want t lie. Lying would do no good for anyone.

[TTEscrima]

Training with deadly weapons takes longer because we need to know more than how to hit a "vital" target!

Deployment and weapon retention are equally important to a defender's safety.

As I'm sure you know, knowing where points are and being able to strike them in a non compliant situation with the proper angles and force are two entirely different things.

All Martial art skills are dependent upon the conditioning of the mind, muscles and reflexes at a minimum without those things it isn't a martial art, its fantasy role play. Anyone advocating Animal styles in particular Tiger or Snake would be required to do EXTREME hand conditioning to make the strikes viable, people who live in the real world don't have that kind of time. Animal styles were about far more than poking someone in the eye or clawing them, when you see someone who fails to grasp this you know they're living in a movie.

Weapons still require the conditioning the same minimums but their force multiplication and learning curve make them ideal for people with less time to become self reliant for SD.

[Tant01]

Yes, we are all WRONG!

Anyone that tries to say you should not use vital strikes is wrong.

Depends on your intent, eh?

Vital strikes are NOT the answer to EVERY situation. In many cases control is a SUPERIOR solution.

You see "Master", self defense is a legal term to justify the use of force. It's up to a jury to decide if YOUR actions were REASONABLE (or not).

As for teaching the fair gender to protect themselves, I think WEAPONS are the obvious choice. If you only have time for one or two lessons I'd suggest a TAZER and/or OC. (Oleoresin Capsicum) aka "pepper spray"

Many of these devices can also double as an impact weapon.

If they need training with DEADLY force then again a WEAPON is much more reasonable (AND REALISTIC). Training with deadly weapons takes longer because we need to know more than how to hit a "vital" target!

Deployment and weapon retention are equally important to a defender's safety.

It seems to me a victim could do A lot of things to make a violent situation worse.

Like trusting a kung-fu man that insists his answers are always right...

[Tant01]

Your IPA didn't match...

Really? I would say there is an excellent chance he has been posting left and right, in the Chinese martial arts forums and now on this one.

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Keep trying.

Is everyone here putting others at risk by their words against you? Maybe you haven't noticed, but everyone here sees what a clown and a fraud (and a mental case) you are. Everyone is wrong and you are right?

Anyone that tries to say you should not use vital strikes is wrong.

[jubaji]

Yeah, Uke hasn't posted in a while.

[Hardball]

Now that this thread has been moved to the womens forum, who better to comment on it than the women of defend.

[jubaji]

I've taken care of that for you.

[TTEscrima]

This thread should be in the womans forumn. I hope the moderators agree with me.

Yawn.... I think I've seen enough of TC rhetoric...

I'd pos rep you both but its says I've gotta spread it around.