Womens self defense, or MMA grappling?

[treelizard]

I haven't tried to sell anyone anything or on any idea.

That's a good one.

It seems to me that you've talked about taking karate, aikido, rape prevention classes and MMA. And still none of its worked for you. I'm not sure whether your handicap is physical or mental, but it isn't every systems fault that you keep getting your ass beat.

That's a good one too. I did karate as a kid, and no it doesn't work. I still keep in touch with my instructor 17 years later. Oh, and he teaches Thai boxing instead now. I never took aikido, but I did review an aikido/BJJ DVD on my site and some of it looks like it might actually work against resistance. I'm really enjoying my BJJ and MMA training. And no I don't get my ass beat, sorry. Though if you're so into fantasizing about women getting their ass beat, maybe you should stop teaching women's self-defense.

I hope you find something that works for you, but if what TTE said about you is true and you always find yourself not belonging and out of place in every school you try then some serious self reflection is way overdue.

Or you can keep on with your finger pointing to explain away why nothing works for you.

LOL. That is a good one, considering I said what I learned in WSD classes does not work but I found ways to tweak it using methods I learned from MMA guys...who I have been training with for two and a half years. So you don't have to hope I find something that works for me because I already have. And added BJJ to the mix. Though that is fairly recent, because I decided to put on a gi and am glad I did because I love it.

[Uke]

Let's keep women ignorant on which WSD methods actually work or not so you can keep selling your classes.

I haven't tried to sell anyone anything or on any idea. There's a difference between me informing you and me trying to persuade you and you obviously don't know the difference.

It seems to me that you've talked about taking karate, aikido, rape prevention classes and MMA. And still none of its worked for you. I'm not sure whether your handicap is physical or mental, but it isn't every systems fault that you keep getting your ass beat.

I hope you find something that works for you, but if what TTE said about you is true and you always find yourself not belonging and out of place in every school you try then some serious self reflection is way overdue.

Or you can keep on with your finger pointing to explain away why nothing works for you.

[treelizard]

What are you 12 years old? It sounds like the kids in your clique don't think she's cool so they put you up to throwing french fries at her in the cafeteria. It certainly has nothing to do with any of the points she's made.

Just points out how solid my arguments are if someone has to bring up e-mails I sent three years ago. LOL.

[treelizard]

look! weekend courses!!

Women's self-defense, women's self defense, womens self defense, female self defense, rape defense - Model Mugging

[Uke]

Did you miss those? Each one points out at least one of your many lies, you no-class, low life, dishonest little punk.

You didn't point out any lies. You just constantly keep trying to cover up the shame you've brought on yourself about 10,000 times. No grown ass man loiters a site like this that much and writes so much unrelated bullshit unless he's got a sad and lonely life.

Well, at least you've got your red pen to keep you warm.

[treelizard]

I wasn't offended at all. Dr Ruthless is well known for what she does. No one has to defend her. She ran MM in Boston. They are well known for what they do. I don't care if it worked for treelizard. I know plenty of women who loved it and took from it what they were supposed to.

Translation: I don't really care about what works for women, unless they agree with what I say.

I said all that before TTE even told us the fact that treelizard does the same thing everywhere and complains about every single school.

I have only good things to say about my Academy.

Don't make it seem like I tried to say "Love it or you're wrong", Sag Lu. That's bullshit and you know it. I commented on the fact that treelizard took simple rape prevention tactics to a MMA gym, asked if she could try the stuff out, and when all her efforts fell flat because the tactics are predicated on the element of surprise and explosiveness she blamed the tactics. That's plain bullshit.

I didn't say NONE of them worked, I said MANY of them didn't work, and needed adaptations. Perhaps the instructors should get with someone who knows what they doing before they start marketing off of women's fear and teaching them things that don't work against anyone worth their salt.

Women's self defense isn't about gender. In all honesty there are more men teaching WSD than there are women. I already explained that we have been teaching WSD for years and this is nothing new to me.

Let's keep women ignorant on which WSD methods actually work or not so you can keep selling your classes.

[treelizard]

No, I haven't but quite a few of my clients have. I see you claim you attended a couple of sessions and you keep calling MM a weekend course, It is not a weekend course. The MINIMUM amount of time to complete a MM training phase is 20 hours, the typical sessions are 2.5 hours, so you went once or twice and dropped out and began bad mouthing the system. You do realize that MM stresses they are based on operant conditioning don't you? Then surely you realize thats WHY the course is 20 hours long at minimum, because thats the minimum amount of time it takes for operant conditioning training to "take". 20 hours is the recognized standard for all military and LEO programs based on operant conditioning as well, but somehow you seem to think you can attend far less than the 20 hour minimum and still give a viable opinion of the effectiveness of the course you didn't complete.

Actually, you're wrong, you can even look on the MM website, most MM courses are 8:30-6:30 on a Saturday and Sunday. That would qualify as a weekend course. And a lot of the class is spent talking.

I took three of their courses (single unarmed assailant, single armed assailant, multiple unarmed assailants) and no, I didn't drop out. I thought it was helpful at the time until I tested it out on people worth their salt instead of trained "muggers" in padded suits.

But since you have taken zero hours of the 20 hour minimum of a women's self-defense course, since you're not a woman, I guess that means you can't give any viable opinion of the effectiveness of the course you didn't complete.

I'm really happy with my stable source of instruction in BJJ and MMA and awesome training partners, thanks! But don't see how that's relevant to this discussion.

[Uke]

I'm sure you just weren't paying attention when you threw that little tantrum. Since you did address me- WTF is it with you and that story of Jubaji's? Every time the guy diagrees with you you bring it up and it's getting boring.
Also, why are you so offended that Tree took a class that she didn't like? You've never taken the class so where do you get off telling her what she's doing wrong? For that matter why does it piss you off so much that she doesn't like that class?

I bring it up because its the only thing he's written about his experience with martial arts. EVERYTHING else is a one liner unless he's rambling on about sake, sumo or kimchi. And don't tell me shit about boring. He's been writing the same shit in 10,000 posts. One line wise cracks that have zero to do with any martial art including WWE wrestling.

As far as treelizard goes ....

I wasn't offended at all. Dr Ruthless is well known for what she does. No one has to defend her. She ran MM in Boston. They are well known for what they do. I don't care if it worked for treelizard. I know plenty of women who loved it and took from it what they were supposed to.

I said all that before TTE even told us the fact that treelizard does the same thing everywhere and complains about every single school. I'm not surprised. People like that HAVE to learn from tapes, DVD's and seminars because they are always unhappy because they don't get what they're looking for: Instant gratification.

Don't make it seem like I tried to say "Love it or you're wrong", Sag Lu. That's bullshit and you know it. I commented on the fact that treelizard took simple rape prevention tactics to a MMA gym, asked if she could try the stuff out, and when all her efforts fell flat because the tactics are predicated on the element of surprise and explosiveness she blamed the tactics. That's plain bullshit.

In beginner's swimming class they teach you to tread water and the proper form for swimming. Now if you took a class on the weekends that taught all that for 3 months but once you actually got in the pool all you did was flail your arms and legs ..... and on top of that you expect that to work despite the fact that they didn't teach you to execute that way .... then you can't blame the instruction. Its just that simple.

Women's self defense isn't about gender. In all honesty there are more men teaching WSD than there are women. I already explained that we have been teaching WSD for years and this is nothing new to me.

[jubaji]

You keep accusing me of lying? Show me the lie?

I showed you, and everyone else your lies in posts:


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Did you miss those? Each one points out at least one of your many lies, you no-class, low life, dishonest little punk.

[treelizard]

Well if we're going to post in that spirit then I never asked for your opinion!

No, but other people did. And if you're so into element of surprise, why would you recommend somebody take a self-defense class with trained "muggers" who not only have no element of surprise because they are TOLD what moves women will be doing, but also are instructed in how to respond?

The world needs less self-proclaimed experts recommending courses they know nothing about.

[Sagacious Lu]

Because he's one of the instructors she drove crazy, she asked his help finding instruction (because she had worn out her welcome everywhere else), and proceeded to be a complete pest, constantly pming him griping about a training partner who was either quitting/ late/ leaving early/blowing off class, or the male female interactions were a problem, or a school not being right for whatever reason. Boar told her multiple daily pms to listen to her complain were more than he had time for, and further he wouldn't ask any favors to get her into classes she was only going to whine about and then quit within the first 4 classes.

What are you 12 years old? It sounds like the kids in your clique don't think she's cool so they put you up to throwing french fries at her in the cafeteria. It certainly has nothing to do with any of the points she's made.

Anything that threatens the self-proclaimed, unquestionable 'authority' of Uke/TTE/KOTF must be attacked swiftly and without mercy.


Read all about it in Al Gore's new book, 'Ego in the Balance' or his classic, 'An Inconvenient Thread.'

Now that was funny

[Uke]

Yeah, yeah, yeaf, and so far I've been told I sound like Mike Brewer, and Uke, and KOTF, and .... Thank you, well, except for saying I sounded like Brewer.

You been telling folks to shove muggers who have knives, bro? Or have you been telling people that boxing is an internal soft art? Or maybe you've been telling people about using eye drops on people you're afraid of?

That doesn't sound like the stuff you usually write!

[Uke]

What does that mean? Is that a declaration that you intend to go on blatantly lying? Stating that as your official policy now?

You keep accusing me of lying? Show me the lie? Are you talking about your suplex story? Where am I lying?

You don't lie. You just don't write anything worth reading. 10,000 posts and 99% of them have nothing to do with martial arts!

Lying?

Is it a lie that you wrote the "big MF'er"(as you called him) was in a bar with friends?

Is it a lie that he smacked you in the face?

Is it a lie that you suplexed him as your choice of self defense?

Is it a lie that you generally NEVER write about MA?

Is it a lie that you don't practice and haven't studied edged weapons outside of reading about it?

Is it a lie that you don't practice self defense?

Is it a lie that you haunt the SD forum like you have something to contribute, even though after 10,000 posts we have yet to see you write anything aside from your story about the parking lot shoving match where you suplexed the guy?

Is it a lie that in just the last 50 posts you've written there hasn't been any depth into why you feel the way you do, just that you do "because"?

Is it a lie that you have rarely if EVER wrote anything about a method or a technique?

Is it a lie that you are the rudest, most obnoxious idiot on the forum that contributes less than even TigerClaw? Yes, TigerClaw.

You're just a pest, dude. A sad, pathetic wannabe stand-up comic who sat down a long time ago. The gong was struck a long time ago and your simple minded one man show is stale and dry.

[TTEscrima]

Now why would you bring him into this discussion?

Because he's one of the instructors she drove crazy, she asked his help finding instruction (because she had worn out her welcome everywhere else), and proceeded to be a complete pest, constantly pming him griping about a training partner who was either quitting/ late/ leaving early/blowing off class, or the male female interactions were a problem, or a school not being right for whatever reason. Boar told her multiple daily pms to listen to her complain were more than he had time for, and further he wouldn't ask any favors to get her into classes she was only going to whine about and then quit within the first 4 classes.

We all laughed at him (Stabby included) and told him he had a GF, this was back when Brewer and Boar were running their simulation threads and getting along.

You certainly do sound like him sometimes...

Yeah, yeah, yeaf, and so far I've been told I sound like Mike Brewer, and Uke, and KOTF, and .... Thank you, well, except for saying I sounded like Brewer.

[jubaji]

Also, why are you so offended that Tree took a class that she didn't like? You've never taken the class so where do you get off telling her what she's doing wrong? For that matter why does it piss you off so much that she doesn't like that class?

Anything that threatens the self-proclaimed, unquestionable 'authority' of Uke/TTE/KOTF must be attacked swiftly and without mercy.


Read all about it in Al Gore's new book, 'Ego in the Balance' or his classic, 'An Inconvenient Thread.'