Women: Importance of reality-based training

[Museumtech]

Glad you agree, it is scary to see how many women are hopping on the BJJ train these days for the sake of self defense (not for the sake of sport or entertainment).

Ben and Jason,

I will have to disagree with you both here. As Wing Chun practitioner, Ben and I have heard no end that we need to add ground fighting to our game (I trained in Judo for a couple of years).

Just as the wing chun fighter has to except that the fight can go to the ground, so does a woman who is training for self defense. This can and will end up in a man on top situation. The woman must be used to fighting from this position and BJJ and Judo both have a lot to offer here. Not unimportant here also is that a person training in these arts will fatigue a lot more slowly when fighting from below.

As to the surface, when the adrenalin cuts in concrete or gravel or a judo mat are all irrelevant. Do the techniques as trained a you will survive with cuts and bruises. You won't notice any pain or discomfort until after the shock wares off.

Peter

[treelizard]

It sure is, (and it has nadda to do with MMA/BJJ) it was designed as a teaching tool based on military combatives.

Tony trains MMA fighters as well. In fact you'll see some of them at his training camps.

[TTEscrima]

Blauer SPEAR is pretty good

It sure is, (and it has nadda to do with MMA/BJJ) it was designed as a teaching tool based on military combatives.

From their website:

Blauer Tactical Systems (BTS) is one of the world's leading consulting companies specializing in the research and development of close quarter tactics & scenario-based training for law enforcement, military and professional self-defense instructors.

During the 1980's, BTS pioneered reality-based self-defense with their ground-breaking 'Panic Attack' drill, the design of the world's first functional scenario-based training suit and the first self-defense program based on psychology, physiology and kinesiology.

The S.P.E.A.R. SYSTEM™ (Spontaneous Protection Enabling Accelerated Response) is a scientifically researched & medically reviewed personal defense measure that exploits the body’s natural responses to violence and danger. This survival mechanism, dubbed: Startle-Flinch Response has been scientifically integrated into a series of neuro-muscular drills that teaches individuals how to convert their instinctive reactions into protective and combative tactics. HIGH GEAR™ is considered to be the world's most dynamic role-player gear because it allows trainers to engage in realistic and integrated scenarios in practically any environment. BTS has developed an analytic & systematic approach to scenario training by reverse-engineering real world confrontations. This program is called Ballistic Micro-fights™.

BTS is now a world-leader in the design of force-on-force training equipment, as well as program management for police defensive tactics, military combative training, close quarter combatives, and personal defense training. HIGH GEAR™, Ballistic Micro-fights™ and the S.P.E.A.R. SYSTEM™ are now used by many of the world's leading DT, Combatives and self-defense instructors to augment their personal defense skills.

Our focus, our mission and our path have not wavered since we began teaching real-world self-defense in 1979... we have been on the cutting-edge of reality-based training for the self-defense world ever since.

Tony Blauer Tactical Systems

[treelizard]

Blauer SPEAR is pretty good

[cqdtonline]

So what do you all think is a good starting point for women new to self defense? Assuming they want to learn for the purpose OF self defense and not for sport.

Anyone know women who have started in different arenas and care to share?

[jubaji]

I am obviously speaking about the techniques being done properly by a master of Kung Fu.

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LARPerific!

Last chance: 'Techniques' don't do ANYTHING by themselves...

What? Are you older than 12? I know that, I am obviously speaking about the techniques being done properly by a master of Kung Fu. Not some technique by itself. Man, you are like a little kid, who has to have everything spelled out for them.

Or like a mocker who grasp at straw to continue his mocking.

[mellow]

Last chance: 'Techniques' don't do ANYTHING by themselves...

And the Best Post of the Day goes to. . . . . .

[jubaji]

So what are you saying?

Last chance: 'Techniques' don't do ANYTHING by themselves...

[treelizard]

Thanks. Yeah I love my gym. Also we only roll for a little bit each class; there is a huge teaching/drilling component. I always try to incorporate whatever we drilled into the live roll if I can. Good stuff.

[Sagacious Lu]

Well at my gym, and I think probably a lot of gyms, two brand new people would probably not get paired up together. Someone with more experience will get paired with a newer person. They don't usually teach but they may give you a few pointers.

For me I try to be really proactive about it so I'll decide ahead of time what I want to work on in case they ask, so I'll be able to say I want to work on passing guard or holding side mount or whatever. If they don't ask I just figure it out on my own--depending on who I'm with, their skill level, strengths, etc. I'll decide what one to three things I want to work on during the roll. That way I usually end up feeling more confident; like I still got worked but I did a good job of doing x, y or z. Or if I was entirely unsuccessful break it down to a few things I kept getting caught in over and over again and make a note of them. Then if I'm in class early or late one day or everyone else is taking a break I can ask someone "what drill can I work on to get past butterfly guard?" Also that's when I might start watching closely if I see someone caught in similar positions on a video somewhere, or while watching some fights, and see what they do. Of course bjj and mma are different animals, but it always gives me something to try.

I can't judge the quality of instruction at the gym but it did seem that neither of those players knew what they were doing. The guy could have gotten a RNC like five zillion times and the gal didn't even know the most basic of moves.

beginningbjj.com is a great resource

But it could be that they were both brand new and the coach wanted to see where they were at. why they videotaped it, though, is beyond me

Thanks, that makes a lot of sense. It sounds like you've got a good thing going on at your gym

[treelizard]

Well at my gym, and I think probably a lot of gyms, two brand new people would probably not get paired up together. Someone with more experience will get paired with a newer person. They don't usually teach but they may give you a few pointers.

For me I try to be really proactive about it so I'll decide ahead of time what I want to work on in case they ask, so I'll be able to say I want to work on passing guard or holding side mount or whatever. If they don't ask I just figure it out on my own--depending on who I'm with, their skill level, strengths, etc. I'll decide what one to three things I want to work on during the roll. That way I usually end up feeling more confident; like I still got worked but I did a good job of doing x, y or z. Or if I was entirely unsuccessful break it down to a few things I kept getting caught in over and over again and make a note of them. Then if I'm in class early or late one day or everyone else is taking a break I can ask someone "what drill can I work on to get past butterfly guard?" Also that's when I might start watching closely if I see someone caught in similar positions on a video somewhere, or while watching some fights, and see what they do. Of course bjj and mma are different animals, but it always gives me something to try.

I can't judge the quality of instruction at the gym but it did seem that neither of those players knew what they were doing. The guy could have gotten a RNC like five zillion times and the gal didn't even know the most basic of moves.

beginningbjj.com is a great resource

But it could be that they were both brand new and the coach wanted to see where they were at. why they videotaped it, though, is beyond me

[Sagacious Lu]

that was really mediocre jits

I figured as much. Do you think that has more to do with the quality of instruction at that gym or the inexperience of the people training? Either way I think rolling is a great way to build the fundamental skills necessary to gain the favorable positioning that is critical to surviving a fight that goes to the ground. I'm certainly not suggesting that BJJ (or grappling in general) is the be-all-end-all of martial arts but it would be foolish to dismiss the superlative fundamental skills and attributes that it excels in. Personally I'm highly suspicious of any ideology that doesn't recognize this- regardless of the gender or training goals of the people who wish to train.

This part says it all. This is why you are a LARPing fool.

Yes, techniques that when applied properly will kill and were designer for combat

So what are you saying?

[jubaji]

techniques that will kill.

This part says it all. This is why you are a LARPing fool.