Why women SHOULD train differently than men......

[Jerry Wetzel]

Dan,

I appreciate where you're coming from (from what I understood ) But it's far too easy too say women SHOULD train this or that.

Imagine this:
Doctor: So, what seems to be the problem today?
Patient: Well Doc, I'm feeling k.......
Doctor: Here take this and you'll feel better.

Without knowing what each individual has a problem with, the best you can do is make general suggestions which I feel people have. I believe women should remember that they are the weapon regardless of what they study. That it's important to understand their best options while standing, sitting, wrestling (standing or on the ground) and be able to execute these options in real time against an aggressive opponent. The training should address the psychological and emotional aspects of violence as well as giving information on attacker profiles and strategies. Most importantly, the instructor needs to explain the role of awareness, avoidance, verbal skills, and intuition and actually integrate these into realistic scenario training. Talking about it does not constitute training and does not result in confidence.

I believe women are perfectly capable of making these decisions. There are PLENTY of people telling them do this or do that.
I agree there are many people who teach techniques that are questionable at best. Unfortunately, every art says they are the real deal. This is why it really comes down to women to follow their gut feelings, ask questions, and don't take the word of anyone but experience as truth.

But women are better about that than men anyway.

Jerry

[Ryu (JKD?)]

MA fan,
Richard Dimitri is a Montreal-based self-defense instructor who was originally an instructor under Tony Blauer. His material covers a great deal of real-life awareness, de-escalation principles, contact scenario training, grappling, groundfighting, close quarter combat, etc. He has a very good "women's defense instructor" reputation, and has many female instructors that are armed with real experience in that field.
Though I haven't had a chance to personally train with him, I've corresponded with him on several occasions, and think that he's not only a competent instructor, but also a very moral and upstanding individual with a real passion to help and protect people.

His website is in the process of being fixed up, but the link is

https://www.senshido.com

Ryu

[dannyjian]

why women should

jerry thanx for the reply thats exactly what i was saying .
i would like to see more ladies out there having a go . but also shopping around for some thing that suits them most ladies when they go to a dojo are confrunted with [look at me im the best your ever gona get to train with]
type of thing buy teachers to me that shows lack of knowlage .
but a lot of the time the ladie dosent no .
it's the same as going to a mechanic who says you need to fix [xyz] then you go to another mec and he says nah its da [abc]that needs fixing who do you beleave . the point is that in our profession it's just as easy to pull the wool over peoples eyes as it is in any job .so i guess if laides took a bit more time to reaserch some arts it may just help with the problem

no offence is intended to any mechanic .

thanx yours in budo .............dan

[ceasarx]

i think women should shop around for a compatent instructor that teaches them an art thats right for them. I also think this is true for anyone looking to join the martial arts. I dont think men and women should train any differant and anyone who tries to promote women needing seperate training should be ashamed off themselves. We have 3 women in our class and they train like everyone else one is exceptional in my opinion the others lack motivation but about 1 in 3 men in the class have the same problem

[korngirl]

I am a female who has been training in kempo, tae kwon do, and jiu-jitsu for seven years. Then this past year i started training in aerobic kickboxing and brazillian jiu-jitsu, because of feeling like that i have to train differently than men. I have always had the fear that my martial arts may not be enough to help me survive an attack. So i totally agree that women do need to train differently than men just because we do have some disadvantages along with advantages against men.

Jess

[platinum_angel]

I disagree 100%. i read your other post korngirl and you are so worried about whether or not you are going to survive a real attack. now if you train differently from men how will you know how to defend against them. and women are no different disadvantage wise to men. if you really are a black belt in ryu kyu then i would hope you would be able beat the hell out of a guy.


if you don't believe in yourself then you won't survive.

[ryanhall]

if you don't believe in yourself then you won't survive.

i agree 100%

and women are no different disadvantage wise to men.

ah the ignorance of youth--no offense. women are generally, smaller, weaker, and do NOT possess the mentality necessary to inflict serious damage on an attacker. this may bother some, but women are nurturers by nature. in nearly every species on the planet, they take care of the children. the male is the hunter/protector. most men are naturally stronger, faster, more aggressive and combative, thus making them better fighters. the unfortunate truth is that a woman can not hope to win with any kind of frequency against a man of equal skill or much greater size. i do not mean to offend anyone, but this is the truth as i and many others have found it. it's not about girl power, it's about reality. in my opinion, a woman seeking serious self defense would do far better learning how to palm strike, gouge, pull hair, fishhook, bite, etc. take a look at richard dimitri's women's self defense course: play to the woman's strengths without wasting time trying to overpower the assailant. it's an excellent course. in my opinion, women should train just as hard if not harder than men if they are able, but not using identical techniques. while a man learns a cross, a woman's time might be better spent working on a finger jab or web hand strike. just the way i see it. however, there are always exceptions to the rule.

if you really are a black belt in ryu kyu then i would hope you would be able beat the hell out of a guy.

sadly, black belts often mean little these days. everybody and their mother has one. there are scant few arts that one really has to devote some time and effort to, as well as displaying a high level of proficiency to advance. many, many black belts get whooped all the time (sparring and real life). they often rely on inefficient/impractical techniques and have little or no real fighting experience. joe average with a little more than his share of aggression will lay a big hurt on a lot of "black belts." if someone trains long, hard, and practically, however, then they will probably be in ok shape regardless of their style. basically, the belt means nothing--the figher is all that matters.


ryan

["Real"PDShaolin]

There are obvious reasons for women to train differently than men. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't live in the real world. Korngirl is only 16 and she can see this. She doesn't think it means she cannot defend herself against a man. She doesn't think that by training dofferently it makes her "inferior". She sees reality and trains the way commo sense TELLS her to train. I wish alot of other people would be mature enough to do the same.

[korngirl]

A black belt is not an easy thing to get, it is something that you earn. So not everyone and their mom has one, believe it or not less than one percent of the population has a black belt. The only type of attacks that i fear are those that involve guns, due to the fact that no matter what rank you may be you cannot dodge bullets! I have no problem with fights, as long as they dont go to the ground. This is why i have saw the need to train differently and pick up Brazillian Jiu Jitsu, just so that the fact that i am going to be weaker than most men get in the way. SO dont make assumptions that just because i am a female i cannot defend myself. I can (for the most part), i am just creating a women's self-defense and i needed some pointers on good techniques because martial arts are a learned art that must be practiced and it will not help a female who wants to take a quick class and get some common sense and instinctual techniques to defend themselves.

Jess

[platinum_angel]

for weapon training i would suggest the art of pepper spray. lol.

techniques would be eye gauges, kicks to the groin, behind the ear there is a pressure point, use it. foot stomps. palm strikes to the nose and screaming. i'm sure there are more.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Womens should not train. Why would a woman need self-defense skills in the kitchen?


Szczepankiewicz the Chauvinist

[platinum_angel]

low blow

[ryanhall]

jess,

A black belt is not an easy thing to get, it is something that you earn. So not everyone and their mom has one, believe it or not less than one percent of the population has a black belt.

actually, one can get a black belt in under two years at most places. you can just buy them at many. kids have black belts. they are easy to get. it's the truth. most of them do not accurately reflect the skill of the belt holder. i know everyone has seen or heard of tons of people who claim to be 10th degree grand masters. do all these people have insane levels of martial skill? nope. i can just invent my own style after two months of training, and declare myself a black belt master. less than 1% may hold the belt, but what percent actually trains in martial arts? probably not more than 3%. that makes 1 in 3 martial artists a black belt. that's quite a bit of people. also, i didn't say that all black belts are bad.

This is why i have saw the need to train differently and pick up Brazillian Jiu Jitsu, just so that the fact that i am going to be weaker than most men get in the way.

bjj would probably be good idea. i wish more women would put ME in their guard .

well, good luck with your self defense course. you've got dedication, so i'm sure that you'll be able to help some people

take care,
ryan

[Ryu (JKD?)]

Korngirl,
It sounds like your training is taking good turns. Knowing how to defend yourself on the ground is extremely important in reality, and even more so for women. BJJ is a good bet for you.
IF you want to truly have a functional "women's self-defense" system that can be passed to women in a short time, you'll probably want to focus in on violence cues, scenario training, environmental awareness, etc.
There's huge amounts of knowledge to be gained, and it is not as common sense as many untrained people think.

Remember to train with contact. Eye gouges, groin kicks, palm heels, etc. are all fine and dandy, but make sure you can do them against a resistant opponent.

Ryu

[Sean J]

Where I live we have a young television personality - male approx. 95 kg, used to be a butcher - who wanted to fight a female boxer. (normal boxing rules)

He did. The girl normally fights in the 60kg class. She beat the shit out of him. He did hit her a few times, she actually got a black eye. The fight was stopped after he went down the second time and was inbad trouble again immedeately after getting up.

Good technique, physical condition and speed can compensate for a lot of difference in size. Even with 12 oz. gloves on!