Why the average Women will not take SDA or Martial arts

[Ms. J]

Jerry,

I do not agree with you about woman and the highest death rate in the US to them. Only because i am basing my statements on the recent results put out by the AMA and the American heart association. However, perhaps you are not aware of the new studies and new results that were just released less then 2 months ago?

Yes, the figures for deaths to children and young adults for starvation are global and were used as an example based on the statement dropping like flies. In addition, why it was used for and in that context.

However, what i will be doing within the next year will be publishing the reports and studies i have been digging though over the past 6 years. before pubishing them, i will be breaking them down state by state and country by country. Then they will be broken down again on demographics and issues specific to each area. then the actuall risk to each indavidal based on the overall conditons of lives will be broken down. This will be based on the past 20 years of death reports, medical data, and violence trends on a global level.

Agreed that stats are sent out based on the needs of the organization paying to produce them in most cases. That is why i read everyones reports and then went to all the hospitals and then read all the case totals throughout our nation. Hospital reports gave me a better idea and i was able to balance things long term when developing programs.

I did this to get a better idea of the facts instead of what is put out there by organizations that have money and lobbyists or what everyone is fed by the feds.....

And yes it might be that some of what i found out is different then what is put out, and mostly that is because i understand now how its put out there and what the legal criteria is for each instance of violent crime and death in the global scheme of things now. i am also trying to look at it from all sides instead of just one organization because my frist intent is to provide what is best for programs and clinets on an honest level instead of what is best for the pocket.

Ms. J…

[Flipper]

It is nice for woman to be encouragement to do stuff they want to do. So don't get me wrong, thanks for that and all, but... umm....

Who says I give a shit about what some closed minded git thinks about woman doing MA's? Woman who do MA's don't usually need anyone's approval (Shock! Horror! ). Listing the pro's and con's of why woman should or should not do MA's is irrelevant. Women are going to be doing MA's whether people like it or not. Get over it and move forward.

Now... on to more important things. How do you get your leg to go up high enough to wipe your foot around someone’s head really hard? How can I learn to not punch like a kangaroo and learn to spot the openings for my punches?

[Jerry Wetzel]

LOL! Uhh, Flipper....

This thread isn't about should or shouldn't, but rather why why many women choose not to.LOL!

Jerry

[Jerry Wetzel]

Ms. J,

Could you post a link to the AHA stuff. I find it unusual since everywhere else I look seems to have the same answer MVA's. I'd like to see the criteria for their survey. The stats I provided came from the CDC and are not mine.

I thought as much as far as the "...flies.." thing.

I don't envy you the paperwork ahead of you What will be the purpose of this thing you are compiling?

We're getting a bit off track.

Jerry

[Flipper]

Originally posted by Jerry Wetzel
LOL! Uhh, Flipper....

This thread isn't about should or shouldn't, but rather why why many women choose not to.LOL!

Jerry

All I hear is people harping on and on about why females shouldn't be doing MA's. Blah blah blah.... Who cares?

If the question is why women don't do MA's, well that is easy enough:

1. Better things to do with their time.
2. Not the right personality for MA's
3. To busy with home, family and kids.
4. Might break a nail (don't laugh; this is serious).
5. The perceived amount of bruising.
6. Not interested in being that close to any smelly male.
7. It's not perceived as being very feminine.
8. Seems like to much hard work.
9. Males don't want you doing MA's anyway.
10. (for all those females that need to be taken seriously) Males don't take the females seriously.

and of course the most obvious

11. They don’t want to.

and the list goes on...

Mostly though, when alot of females see the training involved, it psychs them out and they don't come back.

Easy enough to figure out.

[Tom Yum]

I think your reasons portray exactly why women in general don't do MA.

"...its a woman's perrogative."

[Ms. J]

its a woman's perrogative."

Tom Wrote:"...its a woman's perrogative."


Ms J looks at that statement in a 42 hour no sleep and all work stupor.. (Note this is my last private protection job, after this summer i retire from the work and only teach and build fate)

Without sounding like a man hater or sexist, the only problem with that statement is that throughout time and history its been men and what a mans government base has said is allowable for a woman to do say and be, that gives us what we believe our prerogative actually is.

Furthermore saying that based on that fact, its a mans prejudgments of woman and what their prerogatives are allowed to be is what woman and society have based what there prerogatives are.

Up until the mid 60's woman were pretty much not allowed to say no when it came to having sex and it was not her prerogative to do so, nor her right to enjoy sex.

Definition Prerogative:

pre·rog·a·tive (prî-ròg¹e-tîv) noun
1.An exclusive right or privilege held by a person or group, especially a hereditary or official right.

2. The exclusive right and power to command, decide, rule, or judge: the principal's prerogative to suspend a student.

3. A natural gift or advantage that confers superiority.

4.Characteristic superiority; preeminence.

Until Recently, woman were raised to believe that sex was a mans right or Prerogative and that it was her job to give it to him on request and then to procreate. She in most cases was not allowed to enjoy the act based on religious belief structures. In addition, if she did then she was evil, and needed to face another mans “ God” perceived judgment against her for doing so.

PERSONAL NOTE: I don’t think god is Male, personally I believe god is a neuter and that because mans ego is so large he assumed that god had to be a male based on his interpretation and perception of gods message and intents”

Women were told repeatedly by men that it was the husbands right and Prerogative to have sex and it was a woman’s duty to provide it to him. This mindset was fed to us by our fathers, religious belief structures and from our mothers who were taught the same from said aforementioned influences and teachings. Furthermore, when a woman has not filled the mans sexual prerogative Men have throughout history used it as an excuse for infidelity, child sexual assault and rape.

This cycle of demoralization of woman and what there prerogatives are and still are has deeply long seated roots and strictly based on men needing to control.

The same reasoning is behind why woman perceive that training and protecting themselves is not something we need to do or want to do. We have been told we are not supposed to based on the controlling governmental and religion based male dominated factors in our lives.

Training and learning to protect themselves or even being allowed to be the protector has never been acceptable.
Furthermore, until recently it has never been incorraged in woman’s lives. This is based on the examples placed in society by male dominated governmental and religion base belief structures.

Personally one of the only reasons I believe that the government and others are now trying to incorraged woman to train, protect themselves and work to protect there children against men is because over the past 30 years we have had more woman in government offices and more woman helping to shape the nations belief structures. Also because of the huge cost to the government and society monetarily based on violent crimes from the victimization of children and women by men.

Perfect example, the reasons the military will not allow woman in combat roles on a serious level. Yes, things are changing but it is a huge process and its just started to change. What is perceived woman’s rolls are is mostly based on what men and a mans governing have stated are allowed to be our overall rights, wants, perceptions and intents.

Example: Here is a statement and the argument for why woman should not fight in combat and was pulled from a recent military document that was discussing the role of woman in the military.
This statement was made by a US military general in his argument to why woman should not have fighting roles in the military.

11. “ Men only want to protect women, That’s why women don't belong in the military because the goal of all men is to protect women - and that the men will be so busy protecting the women they won't do their job. “

My question is” if that is the case why do we have figures like this?

"On average each fiscal year from 1990 to 1996, 23.2 per 1000 spouses of military personnel experienced a violent victimization."
-FY90-96 Spouse and Child Maltreatment, Department of Defense.

"The rate of violent victimization of spouses in the U.S. military has steadily increased from 18.6 to 25.6 per 1000 during the same time period."
FY90-96 Spouse and Child Maltreatment, Department of Defense.

"More than 8,000 active duty women were abused by their spouses from 1990 to 1995. Half of the cases involved abusers who were also in the military."
Department of Defense, December 1996.

"Eighteen percent of the victims in a sample of incidents were active-duty members.” Department of Defense, October 1996.

"One in four female service members under age 50 has been physically abused."
Women Veterans' Experiences with Domestic Violence and Sexual Harassment, Drs. Murdoch and Nichol, 1993.

In 1997, the Defense Department reported a substantiated rate of abuse of 22 cases per 1,000 spouses. The Navy rate for that same year is 12 per 1,000. The Bureau of Justice Statistics places the average national rate of victimization for women from 1992 to 1996 at about eight per 1000.

One answer to the "men only want to protect women" theory is in a great quote by Dr. Mary Edwards Walker, Civil War Medal of Honor recipient -

"You men are not our protectors... If you were, who would there be to protect us from?"


Ms. J falls flat on her face now in utter exhaust.

PS I will catch up with the other questions and requested information asked for here in the past 30 hours within 24 hours. I need to sleep.

Yawn……. Oh yeah, all the military stuff above is not only based on research but from 5 years working overseas with family services, partly during the gulf war. Therefore, its as much research as it is realty and there are many reasons why the dm rates are even higher in the military per percentage based then in general. However, I am too tired to give you the synopsis based on lifetime experience compared to the statistics presented right now.

[terry]

Well, that was melodramatic...

[Ms. J]

yawn......

lol yah think?

come on i need to sleep...

J....

[Jerry Wetzel]

LOL! Terry your timing is excellent.

Ms. J,

When you have risen, could you briefly state your answer to the question you posed?

Jerry

[Ms. J]

Reasons.

I am sorry Jerry, i can not give you nor anyone on this board the reasons why woman dont train in a breif manor. Thats why i started this string away from all the others so it could be descussed fully, without fully descusing it how can we faclitate postive change?

The issues are very large, and just listing the reasons will just cause more discussion, and apparently thats not what is wanted on this board.

giving answers is easy if its just a yes and no, but this is not a yes and a no answer and unless people are willing to descuss the issues fully it doesent matter and nothing will change anyway.

Note: someone asked me for recent articals based on the new heart desese stats and the risk to woman. i have been asked not to descuss stats anymore here on this board by one of the moderators. Because of this i am not allowed to provide you with the information you requested. I was also asked what i intended on doing with all of the information and research on stats i have done, it will be printed in an up comming book but i cant say more then that becuase of the aformentioned reason.

in my last post i had just starting to touch the frist subject of just one of the top 5 reasons woman dont train and it got me a letter complaining and the comment i was being melodramdic. honestly thats not my intent, my only intent here is to look at the issues fully and honestly.

Apparently i cant do that here. Unfortunetly because of who i am, untill i am allowed to do so honestly i am not going to be able to give my full list of reasons and why they are the reasons. Just stating the top 5 reasons will just get me into more trouble then if i do as i am doing now and discusing it honestly and openly. 4 of the main reasons woman dont train are directly related to negavtive male ego and controll.

if i were to just list the reasons without explaining why each issue is present it will just inlfame people more then if i take the time to try and explan why the reasons are as is. its not about bashing men, or who is smarter, its about looking at the issues and regardless of the gender changing them for the better of socity and for the best benifit for average woman that dose not train.

There are huge long term gender based issues that should be talked about fully and they should be able to be descussed honestly without getting everyone upset. but apparently i am incapable of doing so in a manor that makes everyone happy.


Ms. J bows deeply......

[Thai Bri]

No offence, but I haven't really read through all the posts on this thread. But I do have an opinion.

People often go on about the "nature versus nurture" argument, even about the differences between men and women. I know that daddies encourage their sons to do more physical things, and mums encourage their daughters to do more feminine things. But there is evidence to suggest that, if left to their own devices, the different genders will have a tendency to opt towards these things anyway. I don't know why.

Its like why don't you see that many men in the audince of Oprah Winfrey, or the audiences of these Psychic Acts etc. They're over loaded with women. Then look at a boxing match, where the audience is mostly male.

I'm not saying that one thing is better than the other, or that "masculine" is superior to "femenine". Its just different.

As individuals people should explore life outside their more ordinary social bounds, but many do not. But, as time goes on, these boundairies are becming weaker.

OK, women in general may never naturally produce the testosterone necessary to acheive the natural muscular strength of men. But they will train in increasing numbers as these barriers fall.

PS - book me a ticket for Oprah.......

[Szczepankiewicz]

or the audiences of these Psychic Acts etc.

Peeze off ya wanker. John Edward is the Shite!

[Jerry Wetzel]

Hi Ms. J,

Sorry you are feeling as though people don't want discussion. That's not the case with me. I was just asking you to list because your posts tend to wander around and, quite frankly, I found myself wondering, "where is she going with this one?" It was my understanding that we were going to list reasons and then you would list yours after everyone else. I figure "cool" and chimed in.

"Understand I have a good idea where the misconceptions are within this board because I have read everything on it in this section. I will talk about some of the reasons things are as they are here before I give the reasons I found that the average women does not train. However, I will not list the reasons until after everyone here that wants to participate in this string has done so frist by listing there top 3 reasons woman don’t take SDA or train long term. "

We showed you ours....

Also, although I think stats are often meaningless, why on earth would you be asked not to post them?

Jerry

[Thai Bri]

"but apparently i am incapable of doing so in a manor that makes everyone happy."

No one can make everyone happy. Why feel sorry for yourself? Just say what you want to say and see if anyone can change your mind. If they can't, great. If they can, great. What's all this self pity?