To Women On This Forum

[IPON]

H2H ... rape is not consentual it is forced. two people that engage in deviant or violent sex is not rape, it is desired by both individuals.

[Xzilara]

Not all women!

What Biker said~
Here is a challenge for you: Teach women to be more aggressive and to be responsible for their own actions/inactions. When I say more aggressive I mean to turn it up a notch or two. Simply teaching the the movements (punching, kicking, etc.) isn't really enough, is it? It's like a nine year old blackbelt. The skills are there, but the strength and aggression to use those skills effectively are not. A little kid can pound on you all day long and it may hurt after a while but it's really just an annoyance.

As far as taking responsibility for their actions/inactions, how about teaching them not to dress in what some people consider a slutty way? By dressing with a little skirt that goes down just past crotch level and wearing shirts with extremely low-cut neck lines it yells out to some less-than-respectable men "take me." It would be like a man dressing like a tourist then going to a bad part of town waving a wad of cash around. It screams to the criminal element "I'm an idiot who needs to be robbed." When it comes to inactions, teach them to actively be aware of their surroundings. Much like the driver on his cellphone. He knows he's in traffic but he's not paying attention to it.

Biker, It sounds as if you think all women are like this and need to be taught a lesson. Actually not ALL women are like this. And when you say "them" you sound as if women are unimportant or less than you.

[Broadsword2004]

Hmmm, well, I remember from this one comedian, a black guy, he said something on a show he had about wome with slutty clothes. It was something like,

"If a woman goes into a club dressed in very skimpy clothes, and you walk up to her and treat her like a hooker or slut, she may say, 'EXCUSE ME. Just because I am dressed like this does not make me a slut or a hooker, so how dare you!' And she is right. Just because she is dressed like that does not make her a slut. But that is like if I decide to dress up like a police officer and a woman comes running up to me on the street, and says, 'OFFICER! OFFICER! COULD YOU HELP ME PLEASE, THERE IS A MAN CHASING ME!!' and I say, "EXCUSE ME. Just because I am dressed like a police officer does not make me a police officer!!!' So ladies, the point I am making is, no, dressing in skimpy clothes does not mean you are a slut or whore or whatnot. But ladies please understand that that is fucking confusing!"

Also remember, dressing sexy and dressing slutty are different.

AND WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH PORNOGRAPHY??? I didn't read this whole thread, so maybe this was already argued, but I see nothing wrong with pornography.

[yentao]

Girls could never been abused if in the first place they don't allow to be so. Girls should respect their womanhood and should not play fire like guys do. Because in our society women are consider very important role which is the light of the family. Thus, they should be respected and not cheated. Actually guys are different from girls and these girls' future still depends on male hands and how he will make a woman an opportunity.

[Broadsword2004]

Just wondering, but what do you mean by, "Play fire..." in reference to guys??

[yentao]

Broadsword, Play fire? you don't know what i mean? You know people shouldn't play fire right? And those who really like to play fire against rules are men which became so common. Or let's just say most guys like amny women it is like a status symbol that if the more girls you have the greater man you are. Girls should not have many man. Before this sounds fair for both sex but now girls wants more men as their sex partners like hookers. Asians don't like this kind of idea that a woman should have many sex partners. If you are a guy? waht do you like a virgin or not? If you found out you are not the first person who shagged your wife how do you feel? See you got what i mean?

Hand to hand, i don't understand? all people have assholes which is for shitting not for anything else unless you got prostate cancer you got to check through there and you will wonder where that idea of using the asshole anything else beside shitting came from. Gays.

[squidd]

every girl i was ever with has, at one time or another, asked for a "rape scenario." this boggles my mind. each and every one has complained that being gentle all of the time is not ok all of the time. they want it rough.

could it be that somewhere in the unevolved recesses of the modern female brain lies a "rape cortex" or something. a remnant of the stone age when cavemen just raped everybody?

[squidd]

I have though similar things but didn't dare mention it for fear of being called a slew of names and being flamed non-stop. Well it wasn't fear I just didn't want to be bothered.

Stand by and prepared to be called a pig.

hmmm... the flaming hasn't started. i hope its because of the cautious tone of voice i used. (flattering myself)

but hey man, i've like verified this with several other people and they say the same thing. believe me, i'm more than half serious when i say that i raised this point not to titilate or violate but to have a better understanding of the "rape role-playing" psyche.

[Beginner]

I just hate it when the issue of equality between men & women is being debated on.

Since the dawn of time, men had to do the hunting & women were to stay w/ the children. Even before guns were invented, men went to war while women were at the home front. Now, before Ms. J gets worked up, I’m not dismissing a number of women who were more proactive in as far as participating in what “men” were doing on the above examples. But they were more exceptions than the rule. Even in an Asian country such as the Philippines, we had Tandang Sora & Gabriela Silang who were both actively on equal footing w/ men during their time.

Even in today’s society, a lot of women clamor for equality & yet a man is not a gentleman when he goes through the door before a woman. Women look at men who are weaker than they are, when it comes to confrontations, as cowards. They want men to be the tougher, more aggressive & the braver ones. So, we should be equal but men should still be tough, if not tougher?

For someone to generalize, as all men are potential rapists (& I’m not saying Ms. J made this statement), is a serious insult. It does not only insult me, it is an insult to my father & my grandfather, both of whom has taken care of every single child they had & took even more care of their significant others. I have a wife who is not as athletic as a lot of women who regularly visit & post in this forum. I will kill if someone even lays a finger on her. I will cut up any man or woman who even as much as insinuate a sexual harassment on my 16 yr. old sister. I believe I’ve read this somewhere here on this thread that if that were the case, then we can generalize that all women are whores. Rapists are exceptions to the rule.

Don’t even start w/ terminologies being used by men for their wives or girlfriends. I personally don’t call my wife “my bitch”, but that doesn’t mean that those who do consider their wives to be one. It’s no different from using the word sh!t. There was a time it was like a mortal sin to say the word inside the house. Now, even my sister’s teacher blurted it out when she dropped her books on her foot. Flip is a term now accepted by a lot of people (Filipinos & otherwise) for calling Filipinos. But there are still a lot of Filipinos who are offended by it because at one point in time it meant “F@#king Little Island People”. So it’s all in your perception. If you don’t like the sound of it, don’t let your husband or boyfriend say that to you. But not all women are like you – but that doesn’t mean they are lesser individuals than you. They’re actually better than you because they can distinguish what is a joke & what is real insult.

As valid as some of your points are, Ms. J, I think you’re preaching to the wrong church. Men who read & post in this forum are exactly the ones who want women to stand up for themselves. I’d love to see my wife pick up a stick & train w/ me. She actually did at one time to help me figure out my deflections. Yes, men here do like porno & they do know a lot of “chauvinistic” statements. But I’d have doubts w/ man who doesn’t find a woman’s body beautiful when it is. Heck, the first I noticed w/ my wife were her legs! And what do you expect men here to say to all the equality BS when they’ve been just generalized as potential rapists? Why are men posting in the Women’s Counter Offensive Forum? We post because since the dawn of time, we’ve been trained to protect ourselves. Who else is better to give pointers to women in this age to stand up & start protecting themselves?

[Tom Yum]

dont expect some sexual things to make sense.

The rational mind has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with sexual attraction under both sexes. The only difference is that women try to be more low-key about it for the fear of being called out. In countries like Finland & Denmark, its allright for a lady to ask a guy out. Imagine that...an attractive woman approaches you and asks you out. That's real equal opportunity

[Ryu (JKD?)]

Haven't posted here in a long time...nor am I online much anymore with work scheduling, training, etc.


I wanted to clear confusion about the "rape fantasy" thing once again.

A vast majority of people (believe it or not) do not have a workable understanding or definition of rape. "Rape" fantasy and "rape" scenario are illusions and should not be called such.

Anytime (and I mean Anytime) someone "wants" "wishes" or "asks" for "rape" role-playing, "rape" fantasy, or "rape" scenario, etc. this person is using the wrong word to describe their fantasy.

Rape can only be defined as truly unwanted intercourse. It has nothing to do (repeat has nothing to do) with "pretending to resist," "domination stuff," "rough sex," etc.

The confusion is because of the word "rape fantasy" (women use that word too and it's equally moronic for them).
You are using a phrase that makes absolutely no sense, is completely misrepresented, and should be called something else.

Lots of people experiment with rough sex, BD games, etc. This has absolutely nothing to do with rape unless the motivations behind it are violent, unwanted, and/or unconsentual.

"rape fantasies" where people "fantasize" about raping people unwillingly I feel does has something to do with real "rape." But that's another thread.

I don't think I can make it any clearer than that.

Take care.

Ryu

[Ryu (JKD?)]

A person (man or woman) cannot 'fantasize" about someone actually "raping" them, because to fantasize constitutes want and consent. Therefore it destroys the definition of "rape." Therefore it is not "rape" fantasy.

A woman can most definitely (and some do) fantasize about raping someone else against their will. This is wrong, yes. "Fantasizing" means you want the thing you are fantasizing about.

Take care.

Ryu

[TaeKwOnDoHuNni]

i am a respectful young women and i do tae kwon do
i want 2 agree with you...yes women should be more aware...i know i am
and not all women are 'slutty'
i dont know where you have been...in strip bars or if your town just has all sluts
don't bring it out on women...b\c we don't all dress like sluts
we dont all act like we wanna get picked up and shit like that....we are aware of things
and life
re~think what you said*

[Tom Yum]

i am a respectful young women and i do tae kwon do

Great pickup line! Just teasing.

[Ryu (JKD?)]

So does this mean that a woman who fantasizes about a stranger coming up to them and forcing his intentions upon her, really just wants to have rough consensual sex?

Now you're understanding.

Ryu