Hey all!

[Tant01]

My name is Raymond G. No particular style but call it Judo. I'm not a player or a teacher but a student of sorts. I don't really keep up with the trends but it seems a Brazilian gentleman by the name of Helio has a large family there that has some new style of whup up in a can! So, me being the introspective type, went on an academic journey to learn the names for all the things to do. What is BJJ? I have trained recently and got "up to speed" in the fundamentals but the names always get me... Your rear naked lock is my hadaka-jime, Guilotine is me mae hadaka jime and so on and so forth... The silat is like that but never really went beyond "thing" (to do) always with the verbs. Make him miss, make him fall down, make him bleed, cut this, cut that. Some basic anatomy and an attitude. Add steel and well, you get the picture. The history of the Judo as taught by Gracies is a bit mysterious, my research has found it to be just a LITTLE TOO MUCH like Kosen Judo. It is my personal opinion that this "old school" Judo that specializes in groundwork, submissions and chokes is what Maeda taught to the Gracie brothers, not Ju-jitsu. From the torso scisors (gaurd) positions and transitions, the sweeps, reaps, locks and strangle holds, it's all there. It was fun to play with the local Brazilian Jiu-Jutsu guys and it's great to see that so many folks are learning the "new" Judo. Don't be offended by the terminology, the Gracies are a proud family and telling them they have no Ryu-Ha might hurt their feelings... Not here to anyone but history is what it is. Why call it "Brazilian" if it came from Japan?

[L J]

There's no doubt that Jiu-Jutsu came from Japan. It seemes most probable that those Brazillian guys simply invented a kind of their local Jiu-Jutsu style.

[Tant01]

There's no doubt that Jiu-Jutsu came from Japan. It seemes most probable that those Brazillian guys simply invented a kind of their local Jiu-Jutsu style.

I don't think so! That's my point. They didn't invent anything, it's not Jujitsu, it's Judo! No Ryu-Ha you see? They call pre WW2 Judo of the Kosen school "Jiu-Jitsu" . Paint it any color you like, it's still Judo.

[Britt]

If I can remember correctly (and I have to, cause I lost the frickin' book I had on it) Maeda began calling his style jiujitsu instead of judo because he was engaging in matches outside of Kodokan rules. So the Gracies call what they do jiujitsu instead of judo because that's what Maeda called it. The Gracie folk greatly respect Jigaro Kano as an innovator and acknowledge that their lineage comes from him, but the name remains.