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So I'm basically the new guy here. I'm only 14, coming on 15. I took martial arts a few years back, it was called Kuk So Won. Didn't learn too much from it, thought it was shit, and left. I'm not looking into some sort of Martial Arts that'll teach me how to be very offensive and be able to take care of myself if I'm attacked by any one person, or more than one if need be, and be able to take care of myself. Hand to hand combat, no weapons involved. I want it more offensive than defensive. Something that has a lot of technique, and if strength is needed, I work out enough to have that. I'm very interested in taking it and learning fast. I hate hearing how some forms of martial arts teaceh you stuff for years at first that doesnt help you. Anyway, anyone that can help me would be greatly appreciated!
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Heres a few places to research about real fighting
Theres a whole load of horse shit in the martial arts, ranging from mysterious and magical powers to nonsense techniques that require the opponent's co-operation. These guys miss all that crap out. -
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I bestow upon you the forum nickname of....... 'Mini-Bri'
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jkd, muay thai, bjj
if you want to defend yourself, or be aggressive, then go for mmaComment
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m.artist, I don't understand your abberviations :/Comment
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jkd = jeet kune do
bjj = brazilian jiujtutsuComment
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Whats mma then?Comment
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What's up
ESPTaylor
Are you a you under 40 or over 40? You said you kept yourself in good shape and wanted a strong, aggressive martial art style. What is your build like?
Are you tall and slender?
Are you a big guy?
Do you have an average build?
Are you stalky?
Are you a shorter guy?
Styles that involve alot of grappling (wrestling, throwing, sweeping - for real) are good for shorter people, especially stalky guys.
Styles that involve alot of striking (thai boxing, boxing, karate) are good for taller people.
These are general ideas, but don't allways hold true because there are tall grapplers and short strikers who are able to use their differences to their advantage (i.e. Mike Tyson & Joe Frasier were short Heavyweights, Royce Gracie is a tall grappler)
I would recommend that you take up Thaiboxing. Its an aggressive style that favors those who are either strong or fast (or both), but not necessarily flexible.Comment
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I'm very much under 14, on the young age of 14. I wish I had started younger but I figure now is as good a time as ever. I work out and I wrestle for my High School. I'm pretty short, currently only around 5' 5" and stocky. Not fat, all lean cut mass, but still a broad person. I'm looking to have an aggressive/offensive martial art.Comment
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If you're wrestling on the varsity team, you won't have much time or energy left for martial arts. I'd stick with wrestling.
I'd recommend getting into Thai Kickboxing.
Look up a muay thai gym and give it a try.Comment
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Bri and Tom have given you good advice.
I'll tell you pretty much what I tell everyone who asks this question. First a good personal protection system is hard to come by. If you are lucky enough to live somwhere were there are some good instructors then you are an exception to the rule.
Fist and foremost what you need in a SD (self-defense) course/system is a no-nonsense, no bullshit approach, you need striking, grappling, and modern weapons training. You need an instructor who will show you how to avoid bad situations, how to de-escalate a confrontation, and most importantly how to deal with stress, fear, and adrenaline responses. You need to develop your mental/psychological attributes and your physical attributes and rely on simple (gross motor skill) techniques.
MMAs are good but they lack some of the nastier stuff you'll need like throat strike, eye gouges, and stuff like that. Even if they do have them, they don't have weapons training.
Judo Is great, but again, it lacks striking and weapons.
Boxing, Muay Thai, and etc are great, but they lack grappling and weapons.
Traditional martial arts are not complete either because they have a lot of bullshit, they lack reality, and they lack mental/psychological preparedness.Comment
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Darrianation was right about the shortcomings of alot of the most available systems. There's nothing wrong with carrying a weapon if you're neck of the woods allows the concealed, carry rule in regards to firearms. If you can get marksman training, even better - there's a fellah out west who has half a dozen confirmed kills, all in self-defense whom has used guns like the .38 special against guys with more powerful firearms (i.e. shotguns, semi-automatics) - off topic, but like MA, sometimes a little technique can outdo a difference in firepower, but like MA again, it depends on the case.
I would atleast get comfortable with the idea of using or defending against weapons. You don't have to be an expert, though - just enough technical skill to use what you have and understand the realities of the weapons involved, things like baseball bats are common sense, but there's more than meets the eye...
About empty handed systems: boxing, muay thai, mixed martial arts etc. - do a great job of teaching you simple and effective techniques that have been used effectively under somewhat realistic circumstances. On top of that, you learn the game of hitting hard, using your athletic abilities and accepting the fact that you're gonna get hit back (I know, ruins all the kung-fu movie fantasies).
The reason why traditional martial arts take so long, is that the average person is not accustomed to the rigors of fight training. They don't have the hand eye coordination, leg-core coordination, understanding of full body power or an above average level of fitness. The TMA schools build people slowly in all these areas, so that they will not get too discouraged and leave.
There are traditional MAists who can fight really well and have done so under street situations or on the battlefield, but they are usually not accesible to the public as instructors or choose not to teach - too bad for the quality of TMA.
You could also look into Reality Based Self Defense (RBSD), which I've heared are really good & effective - but rare to find.
Good luckComment
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Originally posted by ESPTaylor
You may not like my help, but I am going to offer advice anyway.
Do well in school. Learn hard sciences, languages and humanities. Wrestle hard, and maybe you can earn an athletic scholarship to a good college.
I was like you when I was 14-15, and was a rebellious little fella, and now, even though I have finally snapped to it I am irreparably behind my peers. If I were to put a dollar figure to it I would say that I am about 1 million dollars behind, just because I spent so much time screwing around when I was young instead of paying attention (just a little would have done it) to my future.
Anyway, I train at a "self defense academy" where they teach Jeet kune Do, boxing (Thai and western) and grappling. In my opinion it makes for a very effective combination. You can check it out by clicking "classes" at the top of this page (I train at Mousel's academy).
Anyway, I wish you luck and hope that you take maybe a little of the early advice to heart.
p.s. I am not implying that you're messing around, just telling you what happened to me when I did.
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I translate this to mean that he is a fat 13 year old.Originally posted by ESPTaylorComment
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Heh, you translated me wrong Thai Bri. I'm 14, going on 15, like I said. I mistyped when I said I'm well under 14, I meant to put well under 40 (if you had read the above post you might have known) I'm 6 percent body fat, tested as of 1 week ago. I run everyday and I lift weights to keep in shape. I use a speed bag too and wrestle varsity for my high school as well I'm on the swim team, track team, and the football team. Thats a little about me you probably weren't expecting
For the other replies, thanks for the help. I was thinking of actually restarting my Kuk Sool Wan training which I took a year or two ago. If anyone would mind reading detailed into it and telling me what you think of it, that would greatly help.
http://www.upstatekuksoolwon.com/ <-- Thats the main site for the area I live in and http://www.upstatekuksoolwon.com/what_is_ksw.htm <-- that tells how it compares to other martial arts. Please read up on it and tell me what you think of it, thank you.Comment
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