NEW WEB SITE; Move of the month

[lone wolf]

Hi my name is Ed. My school's new web site is up and running. Check it out and let me know what you think about the knife counter in the move of the month section. Ed

https://www.lonewolfjujutsu.com

[chris davis 200]

Hi ed,

Firstly from the elbow to the face i would say that the opponent would either be in heavy retreat due to the strike or will buckle forward after the strike, even momentarily. this will stop you from hitting the groin effectively unless moving behind him and striking from there.

one other problem i can see is that, the natural reation of a person struck in the groin in the pull both hands to the groin area and lurch forward. Should your hand still be near the groin area you will most probably be stabbed in the wrist or slashed across the arm. atacking from the rear, out the way of the knife may be a better option. also it would be easy to carry on the movement of this flinch reaction and stab you.

this natural flinch reaction really needs to be thought of in all applications involving a groin strike.

The body movement of a stuck opponent is something that should always be thought of. If an opponent in training just stands there, every possible strike available would be viable, in reality the movement of the oponent after your strikes has a very limiting factor on the amount of viable techniques.

the first 2 movements are very common to me but from there i would grip the knife arm near the wrist or arm bar under the armpit, step past the opponents right leg with my right leg, pull downward and backward on the arm, twisting my body, whilst still applying pressure to the jaw using the elbow to throw the opponent down to his back right side. you could also rap your arm around his neck and apply a sweep or hip throw.

I would not feel safe in the last 2 positions - the knife is free and there is opportunity for the guy even when struck and falling to stab the knife through your foot, your knee or your thigh.

Not telling you that the technique is wrong, im sure you know what your doing.

I would just do things differently.

cheers
chris

[darrianation]

Without going into it real deep I don't think that this move is very practical. First how many poeple strike like that with a knife? Then the defender after the first strike pays no attention to where the knife is or what it's doing.

[Tom Yum]

Hey Ed,

In the first frame, the attacker's knife arm is parried/captured. The defender responds with an elbow which is a close quarter technique, so the defender has to either pull him in or close the distance. I would think the attacker would step back if he's street savy. Instead of countering with an elbow, I would strike the throat or eyes of the attacker. It looks more range-appropriate.

In the second frame, the defender disengages to throw a palm heel into the groin. I would be more concerned about controlling the knife hand and opt to kick to the groin for the same affect with the attention of losening the grip, while keeping a hold of that knife arm!

In my humble opinion, if he is stunned enough, I would go with a number of wrist/arm locks until I hear a snap.

[lone wolf]

I this sequence intstead of grabbing the knife hand I prefer to go thru the attacker with strikes. A lot of people concentrate too much on the knife hand. While grabbing they alow themselves open to attacks from the attackers free hand. Instead in this sequence I press the attack, overloading him. It takes about two seconds to complete this attack. I hit to the groin after the strike to the face because after this strike his hips will open up exposing his groin to this type of attack.It is hard for someone to attack you when they are being pressed. Also I am disruping his game by being so aggressive. There are many counters that involve grabbing the attackers arm. But you run the risk of grappiling futher. And as we all know you need to be very good at this aspect. Also when we train it is not set up like this. The uke (attacker )is wildly slashing at the defender. Trying to cut him. The defender then developes the timing to enter by watching the shoulder group instead of the knife hand. This I can only show thru video. I will fiqure out how to do this and post one up on my web site. Thanks for looking,Ed

[Tom Yum]

Ed, thank you for posting something of great value.

[ryanhall]

Ed,
Welcome to the forums, and thanks for posting. Interesting PSP on your site.

As far as the knife defense goes, I have some questions. I agree with you in terms of the use of striking. As you said, aggression is paramount, and moving towards the knifer is also very important for a variety of reasons (psychological, stay out of defensive flow). That said, I believe that you MUST control the arm. Fail to do this, and you are probably going to die. You said that people tend to focus too heavily on the knife hand/arm, and I agree with this. This can be a problem. Your rationale for striking exclusively is questionable, however. You would be dealing with one savvy knifer if he started using non-weapon limbs in any kind of serious way (most weapon holders tend to focus as much on the weapon as the defender does). Also, even if you were to take strike after strike from non-weapon limbs, it would be preferable to being stabbed once. In the midst of all the striking you are doing, the knifer could easily flail and kill you by accident. A hand brushing your neck when you knock someone out in a boxing match is no big deal. Give that hand a knife, and you have a dead defender. I'm all about striking, but unless you control the weapon arm in one way or another, you leave too much to chance. In training, I've always had more success with controlling first and striking with close quarters tools and nuclear tactics second (definitely not set in stone).

One more problem that I have with the knife hand/forearm radial nerve strike: it exposes the belly of your forearm, and as an extension, your radial artery. Miss that strike and you could be losing a lot of blood.

Thanks for posting this.

Do you guys ever practice against a grab and stab or hidden weapon at close range? Talk about tough to deal with

[lone wolf]

Yes we do. Its a little tough to explain without pictures and this time it does involve grabbing and breaking the arm. Say the attacker grabs you and then tries to gut stab you. I would strike his radial nerve of the knife forearm with the top part of my forearm. If I get slashed there, there is not much vital, agree. Then when the timing is right I grab his arm and hyper extend the elbow similar to Koga Seoi Nage. ( arm bar throw) You may have to strike his incoming attacks until you have the right timing, continualing striking each incoming attack. Also I fail to mention I would be moving my body to get out of the way of the gut stab. My strike resembles an underarm softball picth. Sorry best way I can discribe it. The contact is made with the top part of my forearm. Ed

[Tom Yum]

Ed, woud you use the arm bar throw against the knife hand or free hand? I assume you were referring to the knife weilding hand

[lone wolf]

Yes the knife hand. But I am hopeing my strikes to his radial nerve losens his grip on the knife to start with. Ed