So is groundfighting a good choice or not?

[Panagiotis97]

The BJJ says that 90% end to the ground so learn groundfighting

others say that going to the ground is dangerous, he may have some friends that are going to help him by kicking you, he may have a knife...

well both of them are right...!

if you worry about being attacked by thugs who are going to kill you...
well the best martial to protect you in a situation like this is...not going to places where you can be attacked by thugs!

if you like to go walking around in dark alleys or making the wise guy in bars you are looking for trouble...

my grandpa lived in Chicago for 30 years and he never was in trouble because he was smart enough to avoid them...

in a life threating situation no MA can save you 100%
the best thing is to be a 100 metres runner... just make a strike and then run like hell...

but there are fights that he wont try to kill you...
havent you ever seen high scool students fight?!
i dont think they really want to kill each other!
or fight against someone in crowded place...

in this case the fights do end in the ground...

havent you seen the fight Boztepe vs Cheung?!?!
the two Wing Chun masters and their fight had nothing to do with Wing Chun!
they just went to the ground...

so going to the ground is something you probably cant avoid and maybe its a good option...as long as you dont fight for your life...

[vandamfan]

The BJJ says that 90% end to the ground so learn groundfighting

others say that going to the ground is dangerous, he may have some friends that are going to help him by kicking you, he may have a knife...

well both of them are right...!

if you worry about being attacked by thugs who are going to kill you...
well the best martial to protect you in a situation like this is...not going to places where you can be attacked by thugs!

if you like to go walking around in dark alleys or making the wise guy in bars you are looking for trouble...

my grandpa lived in Chicago for 30 years and he never was in trouble because he was smart enough to avoid them...

in a life threating situation no MA can save you 100%
the best thing is to be a 100 metres runner... just make a strike and then run like hell...

but there are fights that he wont try to kill you...
havent you ever seen high scool students fight?!
i dont think they really want to kill each other!
or fight against someone in crowded place...

in this case the fights do end in the ground...

havent you seen the fight Boztepe vs Cheung?!?!
the two Wing Chun masters and their fight had nothing to do with Wing Chun!
they just went to the ground...

so going to the ground is something you probably cant avoid and maybe its a good option...as long as you dont fight for your life...

Yeap, you're probably right. Going to the ground is very common in a fight. You'd have to be a real dumbass not to expect it sooner or later?

[Thai Bri]

Do some training for the ground just in case it ends up there. Don't take it there yourself. Basic pins and escape. That way you can get to a controlling position and either ground and pound or get up.

Don't be too worried about that 90 odd% statistic. It was after a study on LA Cops who wrestle people to the floor in numbers anyway.

[goatnipples2002]

The BJJ says that 90% end to the ground so learn groundfighting

others say that going to the ground is dangerous, he may have some friends that are going to help him by kicking you, he may have a knife...

well both of them are right...!

if you worry about being attacked by thugs who are going to kill you...
well the best martial to protect you in a situation like this is...not going to places where you can be attacked by thugs!

if you like to go walking around in dark alleys or making the wise guy in bars you are looking for trouble...

my grandpa lived in Chicago for 30 years and he never was in trouble because he was smart enough to avoid them...

in a life threating situation no MA can save you 100%
the best thing is to be a 100 metres runner... just make a strike and then run like hell...

but there are fights that he wont try to kill you...
havent you ever seen high scool students fight?!
i dont think they really want to kill each other!
or fight against someone in crowded place...

in this case the fights do end in the ground...

havent you seen the fight Boztepe vs Cheung?!?!
the two Wing Chun masters and their fight had nothing to do with Wing Chun!
they just went to the ground...

so going to the ground is something you probably cant avoid and maybe its a good option...as long as you dont fight for your life...

90% of fights go to the ground (supposedly), yet 100% start standing. My belief is that ground fighting is neccesary but stand up should be little more important. bout 70 stanup 20 ground 10 throws

[TylerDurden]

Where you take the fight should depend on your skills. A BJJ player or wrestler should take the fight downstairs, a Thai boxer should stay standing. Any skilled grappler going to the ground against an unskilled person should get top position anyway. Go to knee on stomach and punch away.

The excuses some people use (usually traditional martial arts people) about the ground being strewn with glass, or being jumped by five guys are bogus. I am not sure where they live but the streets around here are not covered with broken bottles, and if you are jumped by five guys the only thing that will save you is 3 or 4 good friends at your side.

But even the best stand up guys should learn some grappling, a friend of mine trains Thai boxing and boxing, he has trained them for years. He also trains Judo and BJJ. Not because he wants to go to the ground, but incase he has too.

[m.artist]

i said this earlier
they say 90% of the fights go to the ground but thats only cuz the fighters are highly inexperianced in a real fight. if it goes to the ground then it's not gonna be a "highly skilled" fight.that's why u sould learn as much stand fighting as u can...then learn just enough ground fighting to get u out of sticky situations

[goatnipples2002]

If you practice your one knuckle punch and have effective stand up game you make 5 attackers turn into none. I don't practice kara-te but I admire their conditioning and the one knuckle punch. Look into it.

[IPON]

The excuses some people use (usually traditional martial arts people) about the ground being strewn with glass, or being jumped by five guys are bogus. I am not sure where they live but the streets around here are not covered with broken bottles, and if you are jumped by five guys the only thing that will save you is 3 or 4 good friends at your side.

You know what I read this also and I agree and disagree with your point. I live in NYC here, in Philly, in Jersey cities like Newark and Camden I can assure you that you are quite wrong about the issue of glass and broken sidewalks. I work as a bouncer also and glaasess are constantly broken on the floor and I constanly have to tell women to kep their shoes on so they don't get cut (and of course its a good way to get numbers ). So it is a different side, now where you live may not be an issue but where you live is not everywhere (and neither is where I live). Now where I agree is that I do think people make excuses, I make the stements as a caution, as in "these are things you may not have considered" not the gospel. In my opinon Throw the other person on the glass or busted concrete.

Regarding teh Multiple issue I am trying to remeber which Gracie (one of Carlos's sons) said that he was attacked by 4 guys and won...becuase he beat on e and the others ran. Then he said if they stayed it would have been a different story. Again, it is a caution. There are alot of ppl that see BJJ and swear it the answer and its not (but it is a big peice) and go to the ground (fight off thier back intentionally) when no Gracie would. There are reasons for not going to the ground - you fight one dude in a club a 2-3 friends show up later you may not know at the moment that it is a multiple vs 1on1.

Now I am also saying this from a grapplers perspective and used it in many fights. I would not committ the ground unless I was forced. I basically think people have to be open not only about the style but themsleves as well (as fighters).

Anyway, no flame just my 4cents

[adacas]

In fresno you don't fight on the ground. The ground is dirty, there's glass on the floor, you have no idea if some animal has pissed there before and everybody has a friend traveling in the bushes right behind them. At least eveybody but me. Not because I'm some great fighter and have confidence in my abilities because I dont' really but because I have no friends. Want to be my friend? Every fight I saw had two guys fighting and at least 5 of their friends hanging around watching. If it goes to the ground your screwed when someone jumps in. If your standing you can always run. So start sprinting. But if it does go to the ground and you have training then you could try to end it fast get up and then start running. Martial arts training is not for getting yourself ready for the simple everyday tasks in life. Its for the scenarios that you can't imagine or cannot predict and is not a everyday occurance. It gives you that edge that you need to handle that bar fight, gun battle, pitbull, or whatever. I mean if you knew exactly the challenges going your way then you could just train for those instances but you don't so you make yourself an overall fighter and you will be better off.

[JKD-Escrima]

1. yes, fresno sucks
2. I'll be your friend.
3. for 50 bucks.
4. I try to stay on my feet at all costs, It's fun when you are standing and they arent!
5. goats.

[TylerDurden]

Remember now going to the ground doesn't always mean on your back. If I get locked up with some guy I plan to judo chuck his a$$ to the ground as hard as I can, then go to knee on stomach and pound him. I agree you don't want to fight from your back unless you have to. But you certainly won't spend the whole fight there against an inexperienced grappler.

Worst case you reverse, take top position, get to knee on stomach (better for a street fight than the mount because you up on your feet and can get out of their easier), and hammer away. Grappling doesn't always mean working for the choke or armbar from the bottom.

Honestly my personal hope would be to end the fight with the judo throw. Usually a nice Osoto-gari will crack their head against the ground and end it without having to do anything else.

[TylerDurden]

I am not familiar with a bucking bronco kick?

Knee on stomach keeps him in place, and if you can put some force into it, it will take the fight out of most people right there. One of the other students I train with is about 220, and when he pushes down with that knee it gets VERY hard to breath. Hard for someone to fight when they cannot get any air. Aside from that its nicely humiliating to your opponent to just kneel on him and call him a punk.

[adacas]

lol
Adacas puts his knee on his opponent. Adacas leans over slightly and slaps his opponent. Then Adacas exclaimes, "Who's your daddy!!??" Then he walks off into the night after winning the fight, the girl and calfornias powerball jackpot of $1,223,234,234,323

[adacas]

sounds like a fancy smancy stomp to me. Besides why would you want to kill him or even have the possibility of killing him so high. That would be letting him off easy. Leave him to live so he could suffer not only his defeat but some mean foot marks on his chest and forehead.