democratic dabate

[platinum_angel]

wow where do i start.

ok hmmmmmmm lets see according to you health care is useless, education is worthless, job creation projects are useless, spending money on the environment is a waste of money, and you didn't say anything anout the war.

wait my favorite line is this.

The only way a government can respond to things like 'Terrorism' is with things like 'The Patriot Act'.

lol i ment to discuss this with someone with a spec of intelligence

[gregimotis]

ok hmmmmmmm lets see according to you health care is useless, education is worthless, job creation projects are useless, spending money on the environment is a waste of money, and you didn't say anything anout the war.

No, According to me, if something is important to you, you should get it yourself instead of waiting for your daddy (I mean government) to provide it for you.

You should do that because the government has a 100% history of spending tons of money and getting small results.

For instance: almost everyone agrees that public schools are poor, and many people think we should spend more on schools in order to improve them. What these people don't know (or aren't interested in hearing) is that we spend more on schools every year and every year the schools don't improve.
This is because the money you and I give to the government for schools, gets spent on consultants and managers and committees and everything except the schools and teachers and things that might make a real difference.

My point then, is that while health care and education and such may be great ideas, the government is not capable of implementing them. It isn't because people in the government don't mean well individually, it's just that a bureaucracy of millions can't do hardly anything well except waste resources.



I didn't mention the war or the Patriot act because government abuse of civil liberties is a whole 'nother reason to distrust the government, worthy of it's own post.

[gregimotis]

It isn't that I wouldn't like to see access to half-decent healthcare for everyone, it's that I don't believe the government can provide it. I think the government will levy taxes for these things, then create a huge top heavy program that provides marginal health care initially, but every year that program will get more expensive and less effective. In the end, even fewer people will be able to buy their own healthcare, because the government is taking 20% more of their money and giving them almost nothing in return... the problem has only gotten worse.

We saw it happen with social security, we see it happening now with public education, there isn't any reason to think it would be different with health insurance.

Is there?