iraq aint crackin

[eXcessiveForce]

"Maybe Iraq smells like veitnam because more american troops are dying everyday in Iraq, than were dying in vietnam; on a daily basis"


You have got to be kidding. We lost 58,000 people in vietnam, we have lost 1000 in iraq, There is no comparison at all between the two. At this rate we can fight in Iraq for 50 years and still end up with less people lost than in vietnam.

[adacas]

Hey guys it seems that we're taking out Fallujah. This is very convenient timing. Right after the election. Well at least now we'll see if our boys will be allowed to actually get something done.

[HtTKar]

Maybe your right; and if so then I apologize. I do not like to make things up when it comes to people dying. perhaps I was misunderstood.

So far US casualties in Iraq have surpassed the amount of US casualties for the first three years in Vietnam. The war in Vietnam officially began on Dec 11th, 1961 and produced 392 casualties in the first three years. As of 2004-11-12, 397 Americans have already been killed in Iraq since Operation Iraqi Freedom which began 2004-3-20.

"Larger still is the number of American casualties from the broader U.S. war on terrorism, which has produced 488 military deaths in Iraq, Afghanistan, the Philippines, Southwest Asia and other locations. "

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1114-01.htm

Violence escalates until one side loses. Already Iraq has declared Martial Law; a symbol of times to come. I think personally, the US will never have near 58,000 casualties like we did in vietnam. The terrain is much easier to find people on, and their government is much weaker than the vietnamese government was. Remember we were only 20 feet from destroying vietkong central command. They were right under our soldiers noses, but were not seen.

People forget that war is not easy and that people die. I was saying that people compare it to vietnam based on how fast people are dying over there

[HtTKar]

The idea of rebuilding a country after a war is to help them become more friendly. Germany is an example and so is Japan we rebuild and then we become trading partners.

But I think that this kind of thinking is what leads to trouble. What would you think if China decided it wanted to start rebuilding countries to make them more "China friendly"? What would you think if China did this without international approval, denouncing the international community with a slogan of "we will spread our way of thinking across the globe?"

The only reason we went to war with Iraq, was to rebuild the country. Our rebuild effort is not an aftermath, it is the goal.

Preemptive. To me that means if a person makes me feel threatened I can lash out and hit him with everything I have, even possible kill him. I don't think any court in the world would call that self-defense.

[Tom Yum]

But I think that this kind of thinking is what leads to trouble. What would you think if China decided it wanted to start rebuilding countries to make them more "China friendly"?

You mean making people eat low-fat diets of rice and vegetables, use tones in ther language, work really hard and save money....ohhh the travesty

[EmptyneSs]

" How could 59 million people be so stupid?!!?!?!?!?!?!"

[EmptyneSs]

Now that's really going to win people over. "If you voted against us than you're stupid " No wonder you guys keep on loosing elections.

dude look how upset i make this junior high kid on the internet. his obsession with me is his main motivation in his posts, although his obsessions with drugs an 8 year old bodybuilder and tom yum motivate him as well.

[Tom Yum]

I'm brimming with rage right about now.

Does this rage give off a poopy kind of odor...jj.

[EmptyneSs]

I'm brimming with rage right about now.

Are you going to keep on mindlessly repeating the same thing over and over again like an angry toddler or act in a mature fashion?

i could answer differently, but to be honest there is no need for me to do so, since this right here sums up everything :

dude look how upset i make this junior high kid on the internet. his obsession with me is his main motivation in his posts, although his obsessions with drugs an 8 year old bodybuilder and tom yum motivate him as well.

[Tom Yum]

No, but it does give off the air of sarcasm.

Now that is sarcasm...jj.

[Kimpatsu]

Anyways I distinctly remember Bush saying something along the lines of the war on terror being a long and prostrated war.

Ummm... do you mean Bush is taking the war lying down?
(I think you mean "protracted".)
Anyway, the war in Iraq has nothing to do with the war on terrorism. Iraq posed no credible threat to the region, and certainly none to America, and hadn't done for a decade (since the end of the Gulf War). Western intelligence sources knew this, but were ignored by a regime that always ignores sage advice in favour of its own dogma. With politicians of the ilk of Blair and Bush, reality should conform to their dogma, not vice versa. (Of course, if the twin Bs actually did make policy on the basis of reality, it wouldn't be dogma.)
If Bush were really serious about prosecuting a war against terrorists, and interested solely in pursuing a nice jingoistic little conflict that got him (re)elected, then he would go after the current greatest sponsor of terrorism in the Middle East, and the country that was home to 11 of the 13 9/11 hijackers: Saudi Arabia. But he'll never do that, as the house of Saud are personal friends of the Bush clan (Bandar "Bush", the Saudi ambassador to the US, even sleeps over at the White House sometimes), and Bush made sure the Bin Ladens (another Saudi family, as is Osama himself) were allowed to flee the country immediately post-9/11 in a private jet that was exempted from the blanket grounding of all other aircraft.
As to the prosecution of the Iraqi war itself, it's now led to more deaths among he local populace than died under the tyrrany of Saddam himself; not a good omen of things to come. From the Iraqi perspective, they've just replaced one tyrant with another, and are still not masters of their own destiny. This attitude is reinforced by the events at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere; Saddam tortured prisoners, and the US tortures prisoners. The US Attorney General has even said that in his expert legal opinion, the torture of insurgents (i.e., dissidents) is neither illegal, not contravenes the Geneva Convention. (I guess like all American Neo-Cons, he couldn't give two hoots for international law.) Such statements, however, are unlikely to inspire confidence among Iraqis. Nor will indefinite detentions without trial, or lack of habeus corpus. In short, America isn't doing much to inspire trust, and from the Iraqi viewpoint, as I wrote, all that's happened is that one tyrant has replaced another, and the worst thing of it is, Iraq was never a terrorist state, in the sense that it was incapable of threatening the US!
But never let the facts get in the way of a good war...